A little bored with my main ranged atm.  I really am liking the SWF pally, but now want to turn my foucus to another bank toon and making him TWF.  I didn't see anything recent on it so, figured I would ask.  I am not keen on being a wolf... but am open to ideas.

Thanks in adavance 

15pally, 3 ranger, 2 monk.  For 100% off hand attacks.

Munkenmo wrote on Oct 21^st, 2014 at 4:31pm:


Assuming I do not care about being centered then, yes?

Kluege wrote on Oct 21^st, 2014 at 4:42pm:


It's still a good choice if building for evasion, but with the benefits of heavy armor now that's very questionable.  We have Tempest Rangers now switching to Heavy Armor.

Bigjunk wrote on Oct 21^st, 2014 at 4:44pm:


I don't doubt Heavy Armor as my SWF Pally could care less for evasion even in EE with PRR and MRR the way it is.  Would scimitar be a choice then... with heavy armor and build to PRR?

Kluege wrote on Oct 21^st, 2014 at 4:56pm:


If you don't have the weapons already I would go rapier.  It's the same damage and since it's pierce-specced you'll also be able to use Celestias.  EE Deathnights have about 100 DR and Celestias cut right through it.

Just a question, i know that building for ee mark is prolly the cool way to do.
But that raid is done once on ee for fun and thats about it.
No point since loot drops is so shitty and you are forced to zerg 20 normals anyways.
I personally wold rather build for the 99.99% other content that i will run and not for that 1 ee run of a shitty boring raid.

Just me tho.

I agree that dance costs to much ap, way to much, its really powerful but 6 ap for aoe.. Dont know, im sold on it for wolf builds tho, with that att speed it helps me chop thro ee vol mobs super fast /quest i run nonstop cuz of fucking helm

Also munk you cant say 100% offstrike since the offstrike aplies only while centerd, i thought for a long time it was bugged and worked noncenterd as well, but as i tested yestday you dont get offstrike while uncenterd from monks deft strikes so i would totally skip on it.
Monk splashing is mostly dead on most builds
Imo growing storm alone is worth the ranger splash, 10 damage that is stacked fast on a 2 weapon fighter and can be used quite alot.
I would go 15 palie 4 ranger and the 1 for whatever, most possibly 5th ranger and go for dance and use palie mainly as holy sword/stance/exalted smite

Lelouch wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2014 at 4:02am:


My Wizard’s first 20 runs were all EE and EH and in those 20 she got the Litany, the Ring, the Helm, and a quiver which I put up for roll.

I’ll swear to whatever diety you name that the drop-rates on EH are good enough that it’s worth doing on EH.

The other 99% isn’t tough enough for it to matter.

Lelouch wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2014 at 4:02am:


I just checked my notes.  You're semi right, and I was completely wrong earlier in this thread.  Deft strikes works fine if you're offensively un centered, but if you're defensively un centered  Deft strikes does nothing.

DoRayEgon wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2014 at 9:11pm:


This.

DoRayEgon wrote on Oct 24^th, 2014 at 10:49am:


Heavy Armor gives you more damage mitigation in more circumstances.

Kluege wrote on Oct 24^th, 2014 at 12:06pm:


You do not need to be centered for the evasion, works fine with light armor.  In more situations though you are better off in Heavy as the PRR and 30/60 DR of TF plate are wonderful.

A lot of people on this forum over-value being centered.

I would trust Bigjunk's advice.  I have played both to cap recently and found that the centered version with monk was not far off from the heavy armor version except for the crappy weapons.