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Kluege Dragon Raider Offline Hi Posts: 246 Location: Philly Joined: Aug 6^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: TWF Build Reply #25 - Oct 24^th, 2014 at 1:07pm	Print Post
	Cool. I just like to get a full understanding of how it works. I usually don't play melee so... Anyway, it looks like everyone likes the 15p/3r/2f Shadow Plate Khopesh build on these forums.... funny how the mother forums are so pro 15/5 and dance of death. I think I like the pally KoTC tree better anyway so... 15/3/2 it is. Thanks for all the input. Now, I just need to clean out my TR bank... seems to be the hardest part of it all...


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Rull Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 2 Joined: Sep 8^th, 2014	Re: TWF Build Reply #26 - Oct 26^th, 2014 at 8:05am	Print Post
	Then why not 15/4/1fighter and get ram's might? Which feat are you getting from second fighter that beats +2 STR / +2 dmg?


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Bigjunk Horoluth Raider Offline Hjeal meh! Posts: 2686 Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: TWF Build Reply #27 - Oct 26^th, 2014 at 4:00pm	Print Post
	Rull wrote on Oct 26^th, 2014 at 8:05am: Then why not 15/4/1fighter and get ram's might? Which feat are you getting from second fighter that beats +2 STR / +2 dmg? That's probably a better split, I didn't do it because I didn't think of it while drunk, rage-TRing, and making up the build as I was going.


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Kluege Dragon Raider Offline Hi Posts: 246 Location: Philly Joined: Aug 6^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: TWF Build Reply #28 - Oct 28^th, 2014 at 9:01pm	Print Post
	Rull wrote on Oct 26^th, 2014 at 8:05am: Then why not 15/4/1fighter and get ram's might? Which feat are you getting from second fighter that beats +2 STR / +2 dmg? At that point, why not just go 15/5?


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Bigjunk Horoluth Raider Offline Hjeal meh! Posts: 2686 Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: TWF Build Reply #29 - Oct 29^th, 2014 at 10:47am	Print Post
	Kluege wrote on Oct 28^th, 2014 at 9:01pm: At that point, why not just go 15/5? an extra feat is nice and if you're not going to commit all those APs to the Tempest tree for Dance of Death 5 ranger levels not worth it. Haste boost is also cheaper in Kensai.


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Kluege Dragon Raider Offline Hi Posts: 246 Location: Philly Joined: Aug 6^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: TWF Build Reply #30 - Oct 29^th, 2014 at 11:39am	Print Post
	I think for feats I am ok. I went human and am now 4pal/2ranger: 1- Khopesh and Precision 3- TWF Defense 6- Empower Healing 9- IC slash 12- ITWF 15- GTWF 18- Maximize? 21- OC 24- Epic DR 27- Blinding Speed ED Feats: 26- PTWF 28- PTHF


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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: TWF Build Reply #31 - Oct 29^th, 2014 at 11:44am	Print Post
	Kluege wrote on Oct 29^th, 2014 at 11:39am: TWF Defense You can give that feat up for anything else you'd want. Kluege wrote on Oct 29^th, 2014 at 11:39am: Maximize? Most likely not needed as you have empower and could swap it for quicken on cures and shorten other animations like cocoon. Kluege wrote on Oct 29^th, 2014 at 11:39am: PTHF Kopesh cannot glance. I dont think bastard sword or dwarven axes can either if dual wielding(mgiht be wrong).
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	Mockduck wrote on Aug 30^th, 2010 at 2:20pm: I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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Kluege Dragon Raider Offline Hi Posts: 246 Location: Philly Joined: Aug 6^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: TWF Build Reply #32 - Oct 29^th, 2014 at 11:51am	Print Post
	I added those feats because there wasn't anything else I really wanted. TW defense gave some PR. Maximize for the lower level spells and ranger spells. PTHF I can drop if there are no glancing blows. I could add quicken in, but again...not truly needed. I never had this issue where I had more open feat slots with not enough really useful feats.


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Aeolwind HERALD OF HATE Offline DDO: More broken than peanut brittle Posts: 2074 Location: Sarlona Joined: Apr 13^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: TWF Build Reply #33 - Oct 29^th, 2014 at 12:15pm	Print Post
	Rubbinns wrote on Oct 29^th, 2014 at 11:44am: I dont think bastard sword or dwarven axes can either if dual wielding(mgiht be wrong) Update 5: Bastard Swords when wielded by a proficient user as a Single Weapon or Sword and Shield will now produce Glancing blows on enemies around wielder. The glancing blows are increased by Two Handed Fighting feat chain and enhancements that increase the effectiveness of them. I don't see them on my BS twf fighter trainwreck of agony and stupidity. But then again, as much as I cleave it is hard to tell. Would BS out perform khopesh/cleaves with MF procs on glance? I was under the impression the max of it was about 25% or so and then it was only ONE of the special effects that fired.


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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: TWF Build Reply #34 - Oct 29^th, 2014 at 12:32pm	Print Post
	Aeolwind wrote on Oct 29^th, 2014 at 12:15pm: Would BS out perform khopesh/cleaves with MF procs on glance? I think it would in mob dense quests and makes up for the crit multiplier being lower by giving glances on single targets. Aeolwind wrote on Oct 29^th, 2014 at 12:15pm: was only ONE of the special effects that fired. Could be true. My trash sword is 1st degree burns tier 1, paralyzing fear tier 2, mortal fear tier 3. That is too many procs for me to test out.

	Mockduck wrote on Aug 30^th, 2010 at 2:20pm: I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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Aeolwind HERALD OF HATE Offline DDO: More broken than peanut brittle Posts: 2074 Location: Sarlona Joined: Apr 13^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: TWF Build Reply #35 - Oct 29^th, 2014 at 1:44pm	Print Post
	Rubbinns wrote on Oct 29^th, 2014 at 12:32pm: Could be true. My trash sword is 1st degree burns tier 1, paralyzing fear tier 2, mortal fear tier 3. That is too many procs for me to test out. I went with Wrath of ... for t2 simply because the AE damage. My bard and Monk have zero issues staying alive. It is really strange, my barbarian is easier to run through eOrchard than my fighters or ranger; none of which have Mortal Fear.. Does PF cause held damage?


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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: TWF Build Reply #36 - Oct 29^th, 2014 at 3:00pm	Print Post
	Aeolwind wrote on Oct 29^th, 2014 at 1:44pm: Does PF cause held damage? Yes and no save if proc'd. Works on everything that isn't red named or purple.

	Mockduck wrote on Aug 30^th, 2010 at 2:20pm: I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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Kluege Dragon Raider Offline Hi Posts: 246 Location: Philly Joined: Aug 6^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: TWF Build Reply #37 - Oct 29^th, 2014 at 3:10pm	Print Post
	Rubbinns wrote on Oct 29^th, 2014 at 3:00pm: Yes and no save if proc'd. Works on everything that isn't red named or purple. I thought that paralyze did not give the helpless damage bonus of +50%, but hold person (nerve toxin, pin, sleep etc) did.


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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: TWF Build Reply #38 - Oct 29^th, 2014 at 3:15pm	Print Post
	Kluege wrote on Oct 29^th, 2014 at 3:10pm: I thought that paralyze did not give the helpless damage bonus of +50%, but hold person (nerve toxin, pin, sleep etc) did. Never knew that. I just wiki'd it. Paralysis from weapons does not cause helplessness.

	Mockduck wrote on Aug 30^th, 2010 at 2:20pm: I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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Kluege Dragon Raider Offline Hi Posts: 246 Location: Philly Joined: Aug 6^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: TWF Build Reply #39 - Oct 29^th, 2014 at 3:32pm	Print Post
	Rubbinns wrote on Oct 29^th, 2014 at 3:15pm: Never knew that. I just wiki'd it. Paralysis from weapons does not cause helplessness. Now only if the hold person on Thunder Forged actually landed....


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Bigjunk Horoluth Raider Offline Hjeal meh! Posts: 2686 Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: TWF Build Reply #40 - Oct 29^th, 2014 at 3:58pm	Print Post
	Kluege wrote on Oct 29^th, 2014 at 3:32pm: Now only if the hold person on Thunder Forged actually landed....� Twist in balanced attacks on a TWFer and you won't care.


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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: TWF Build Reply #41 - Oct 29^th, 2014 at 4:05pm	Print Post
	Bigjunk wrote on Oct 29^th, 2014 at 3:58pm: Twist in balanced attacks on a TWFer and you won't care. So confusing. That works, but some other knockdowns wont trigger helpless damage. Cometfall Knockover Command/Greater Command Cyclonic Blast Knockdown Trip All 4 do not according to wiki.

	Mockduck wrote on Aug 30^th, 2010 at 2:20pm: I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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Bigjunk Horoluth Raider Offline Hjeal meh! Posts: 2686 Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: TWF Build Reply #42 - Oct 29^th, 2014 at 4:37pm	Print Post
	Sounds about right. Balanced Attacks and Overwhelming Force DO make their targets helpless.


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Aeolwind HERALD OF HATE Offline DDO: More broken than peanut brittle Posts: 2074 Location: Sarlona Joined: Apr 13^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: TWF Build Reply #43 - Oct 29^th, 2014 at 4:52pm	Print Post
	Bigjunk wrote on Oct 29^th, 2014 at 4:37pm: Balanced Attacks and Overwhelming Force DO make their targets helpless. That explains a lot. Now, I need a character with a tier 3 twist lol.


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5 Foot Step Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Hate Idiots! Posts: 11119 Location: USA Joined: Mar 8^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: TWF Build Reply #44 - Oct 30^th, 2014 at 12:53am	Print Post
	Aeolwind wrote on Oct 29^th, 2014 at 12:15pm: Update 5: Bastard Swords when wielded by a proficient user as a *Single Weapon or Sword and Shield* will now produce Glancing blows on enemies around wielder. Derp.
	« Last Edit: Oct 30^th, 2014 at 12:53am by 5 Foot Step »
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string table error, tableDID Stormreaver Piker Offline ah......fresh meat Posts: 743 Location: Boredville Joined: Dec 9^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: TWF Build Reply #45 - Oct 30^th, 2014 at 5:15am	Print Post
	Aeolwind wrote on Oct 21^st, 2014 at 5:01pm: Did I miss a memo?� AA isn't fun since they nuked stacking and I'm trying to find a way to motivate myself to get this character to 28.� As the only ranged toon I ever played is a Arti - can I get a hint what changed for AAs? Do you mean the "get all the bow enhancements activ at the same time" thingy or something else? Thanks, error.

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Bigjunk Horoluth Raider Offline Hjeal meh! Posts: 2686 Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: TWF Build Reply #46 - Oct 30^th, 2014 at 11:08am	Print Post
	going off-topic but AAs are still awesome. The broken stacking was fun but come on, you couldn't expect that to last. Adrenaline and Slayer Arrows are still really strong. My Tempest Ranger switched to AA for EE Mark of Death, sure I'm losing some melee DPS but the biggest loss, Dance of Death, isn't missed at all in that raid. With the group I usually run with it's fine and controlled until it gets to the "mark" phase with the final Abbot beatdown, having a big burst of ranged damage pays off when the Abbot moves around a lot and stands in the blue-shit clouds which make melee problematic. Adrenaline + manyshot + Slaying arrows + Snipershot pays off here. The monkchers are way better at this that the mostly-rangers, I still melee when manyshot is on timer.


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DropBear Dropbear Awareness Society Offline Don't forget to look up.... Posts: 4374 Location: Landdownunder Joined: Oct 11^th, 2013	Re: TWF Build Reply #47 - Nov 17^th, 2014 at 5:05am	Print Post
	string table error, tableDID wrote on Oct 30^th, 2014 at 5:15am: As the only ranged toon I ever played is a Arti - can I get a hint what changed for AAs? Do you mean the "get all the bow enhancements activ at the same time" thingy or something else? Thanks, error. Yep. You can only get two going now last I heard.

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