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Reply #375 - Sep 22nd, 2015 at 8:12am
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5 Foot Step wrote on Sep 22nd, 2015 at 7:16am:
I see. In any case, nobody is going to put in the effort to figure out average stacks and average uptime of blitz in actual play situations, so we'll just have to put it at 25.5 and handwave the uptime as equal.


It's not possible to do so. In certain quests it's obviously going to be straight up 70 throughout (breaking the ranks, demon assault, etc), and in some it's almost never of any use (anything with a fucking portal that breaks blitz in). But it's still not 25.5 average, unless you're right about the stack decay being other than the description on the wiki. Can't say I've ever timed it accurately. I simply prefer DC because it feels more like an "active" class for a lot of character archetypes than blitz, which makes me feel more like a gerbil on a wheel, constantly trying to get last hits to keep the stacks up.
  
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Re: U24 Max DPS Barbarian
Reply #376 - Sep 22nd, 2015 at 10:47pm
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totally wrote on Sep 22nd, 2015 at 8:12am:
constantly trying to get last hits to keep the stacks up.


It's nice that you don't have to beg for the kills anymore. It still sucks that the current system encourages you to gimp your dps to maximize stacks gained per mob in certain situations like quests that have mob-sparse areas or long downtimes.

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Can't say I've ever timed it accurately


Just enable the display numerical cooldowns on hotbars option in the UI settings, then you can just glance and see exactly how many seconds are remaining on the cooldown when Zeal expires.
  

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Reply #377 - Sep 24th, 2015 at 4:44pm
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Just tested it and Zeal is 4 minutes cooldown, and stacks fade every 3 seconds just like the description says.

The blitz stacks are not always 10, true, but when you need them the most, they are usually on 10, or they stack fast, because you will be hitting something nonstop and haste boosting.
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Reply #378 - Sep 24th, 2015 at 8:16pm
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5 Foot Step wrote on Sep 21st, 2015 at 11:40pm:
Zeal is 25 if you average it over the duration. That duration is longer than stated in the description though. It's more like 85% uptime instead of 62.5. Blitz should be 70 at 10 stacks...I'm not sure if he is attempting to account for the difference in passive melee power, but it should be noted that DC grants passive MP in addition to those granted by levels. There's a lot of other stuff left out of his calc as well.

Zeal is at least comparable to Blitz though even if Blitz gives more DPS. In any case, Zeal doesn't have to beat blitz all by itself, because the rest of the DC tree > rest of LD tree.


it's actually 15.635

25 is the median of 0-50 equally distributed *.625 (it's only up 150 seconds of every 240)

25*.625 = 15.635
  
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Reply #379 - Sep 24th, 2015 at 8:17pm
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totally wrote on Sep 22nd, 2015 at 6:40am:
Nope, because you're only getting it for 3.5 minutes out of 4, so it's 25.5 * 0.875.

EDIT: Actually, my bad it's less, stacks decay one every 3 seconds, so that's 50 * 3 = 150 seconds to completely decay, so that's only 2.5 minutes, not 3.5, so that's actually 25.5 * 0.625 = 15.9375.

EDIT EDIT: Btw, my original comment was merely cheek, not trying to prove a point or nuffing. I agree with you that zeal is pretty good, this is only the melee power component, and doesn't take into account the additional 15.9375% average doublestrike/shot, or the fact that it is merely a core ability rather than an epic moment.


Just saw this sorry, this is exactly right. My B on the double post. Also I missed the 25.5 since there are no half stacks, either way it's negligible on the overall contribution.
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Reply #380 - Sep 24th, 2015 at 8:21pm
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5 Foot Step wrote on Sep 22nd, 2015 at 10:47pm:
It's nice that you don't have to beg for the kills anymore. It still sucks that the current system encourages you to gimp your dps to maximize stacks gained per mob in certain situations like quests that have mob-sparse areas or long downtimes.

Finally a use for those clubs of the silver flame though.  Cheesy


Just enable the display numerical cooldowns on hotbars option in the UI settings, then you can just glance and see exactly how many seconds are remaining on the cooldown when Zeal expires.


Not 100% relevant to a barb, but even on my thrower which has arguably faster attack speed (from procs et al), many quests at the beginning of a fight after a run I'm between 3-6 Blitz stacks. That being said, I tend to get back up to 10 very fast. But for instance when I calculated damage diff between LD and SD for my thrower, SD is only behind Blitz when blitz is OVER 7 stacks. Which in many dungeons means it's pretty damn close. Problem with SD is having to twist in AB + Extra ABs
  
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Reply #381 - Sep 25th, 2015 at 1:45pm
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https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/465190-Ranger-Deepwood-Stalker-Changes...

[QUOTE=Vargouille;5692760]Regarding Competence bonus to Critical Damage Multiplier:

In the near future, we intend to change Barbarian Ravager's enhancement "Critical Rage" to be typed as a Competence bonus.

We wanted to let players know sooner rather than later. [/quote]
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Reply #382 - Sep 25th, 2015 at 1:45pm
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You are fucked  Grin
  
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Reply #383 - Sep 25th, 2015 at 4:19pm
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yardarm_ wrote on Sep 25th, 2015 at 1:45pm:
You are fucked  Grin


Not really, jsut drop one WF and load khopeshes. BTW thanks to share that, I'm 2 phlogistons to my new TF, was wondering if I would do a khopesh or a hammer.

PS: THF barbs will suffer. Everyone is going to be using a riftmaker.
  
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Reply #384 - Sep 25th, 2015 at 10:39pm
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yardarm_ wrote on Sep 25th, 2015 at 1:45pm:
You are fucked  Grin


Who is? Red Sonja?

My build doesn't stack a competence bonus to crit range with crit rage, so that nerf would just make my build even better in comparison.
  

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Reply #385 - Oct 16th, 2015 at 3:41pm
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looking forward to an update to the build for Update 28.1

is the missing 6 melee power (and changes to improved critical) worth a switch to THF?
  
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Reply #386 - Oct 16th, 2015 at 4:04pm
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I'd say not, and that's before I've seen the "fixed" 4th attack anim on TWF. Presumably they think the speed increase balances out the loss of MP. We'll see.
  
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Reply #387 - Oct 16th, 2015 at 4:08pm
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>implying Barbarians have ANYTHING to do with DPS...
  
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Reply #388 - Oct 16th, 2015 at 5:23pm
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>implying Barbarians have ANYTHING to do with DPS...


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Reply #389 - Oct 19th, 2015 at 2:47pm
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"Hi Welcome"

Is that Rojo?
  
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Reply #390 - Oct 19th, 2015 at 10:35pm
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painkiller wrote on Oct 16th, 2015 at 3:41pm:
looking forward to an update to the build for Update 28.1

is the missing 6 melee power (and changes to improved critical) worth a switch to THF?


I'm not doing any build planning until things are more settled, but I'm expecting that this build will still be at the top of the non-wolf/non-tree heap by a larger margin. We'll see what they actually go live with though.
  

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Reply #391 - Jan 13th, 2016 at 1:18pm
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5FS's Second Pick (v3.1)


Race: Human/PDK
Alignment: Neutral
Class: 20 Barbarian


Stats:..........Level 1 (36 pt build)

Strength............18 (+ level ups)
Dexterity...........13 (+4 tome or better required)
Constitution.......17
Intelligence........10
Wisdom..............8
Charisma............8


Feat Progression

Level 1   : Power Attack, Weapon Focus
Level 3   : Weapon Focus
Level 6   : Completionist
Level 9   : Improved Critical-Piercing
Level 12 : Two Weapon Fighting
Level 15 : Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Level 18 : Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Level 21 : Overwhelming Critical
Level 24 : Weapon Focus
Level 26 : Perfect Two Weapon Fighting
Level 27 : Power Critical
Level 28 : First Blood
Level 29 : Harbinger
Level 30 : Epic DR
Level 30 : Arborea



Enhancements

Ravager: 36 AP

Core 4/6
Barbarian Power Attack 3/3
Ritual Scarring 3/3
Hardy Rage 3/3
Do You Like Pain? 3/3
Action Boost: Melee Power 3/3
I Like Pain 3/3
+1 Str
+1 Str
I Hit Back 3/3
Critical Rage 2/2
Blood Strength

Frenzied Berserker: 41 AP

Core 6/6
Die Harder 1/3
Power Rage 3/3
Extra Rage 3/3
Athletics 3/3
Blood Tribute 3/3
Blood Trail 3/3
Supreme Cleave 3/3
Wade In 3/3
Sprint Boost 3/3
Extra Action Boost 3/3
+1 Con
+1 Con


Human: 3 AP

Damage Boost
Heal Amp

Epic Destiny: Divine Crusader

Purge the Wicked
Bane of Undeath
Interrogation
Endless Turning 1/3

Consecration 3/3
Confront Any Foe

Sacred Ground

Crusade
No Regret

Celestial Champion
Castigation
Heavenly Presence

Strike Down

Twists: 4/3/2/1/1

Sense Weakness
Balanced Attacks
Hail of Blows
Tunnel Vision
Extra AB


Gear:

In progress

(Important to note that Celestial Champion won't apply it's range increase unless you unequip and reequip your weapons in each new instance. So it's 19-20x4 at quest start, then 17-20x4 when you reequip, then 15-20x4 when you rage.)
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Reply #392 - Jan 15th, 2016 at 3:07pm
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Is there a reason to not use Grim Precision over Balanced Attacks?
  
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Reply #393 - Jan 15th, 2016 at 6:49pm
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It's more of a trash vs. redname thing, I think. Grim is probably better for bosses, and BA's helplessness on vorp is better for trash.
  
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Reply #394 - Jan 18th, 2016 at 9:22am
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Ishy_Bubblehead wrote on Jan 15th, 2016 at 3:07pm:
Is there a reason to not use Grim Precision over Balanced Attacks?


Yes.
  

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Reply #395 - Feb 3rd, 2016 at 2:18pm
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5 Foot Step wrote on Jan 13th, 2016 at 1:18pm:
5FS's Second Pick (v3.1)

Ravager: 36 AP

Core 5/6
Barbarian Power Attack 3/3
Ritual Scarring 3/3
Hardy Rage 3/3
Do You Like Pain? 3/3
Action Boost: Melee Power 3/3
I Like Pain 3/3
+1 Str
+1 Str
I Hit Back 3/3
Critical Rage 2/2
Blood Strength


Know this is old, but is this correct?  I think Ravager V (1pt), Crit Rage II (4pnts), Blood Strength (2pnts) need 37 points.
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Reply #396 - Feb 5th, 2016 at 11:13am
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Zaybos wrote on Feb 3rd, 2016 at 2:18pm:
Know this is old, but is this correct?  I think Ravager V (1pt), Crit Rage II (4pnts), Blood Strength (2pnts) need 37 points.


Right. Bad copy paste. Edited.

Also update-worthy, Arborea breaks my Celestias. I'm going to keep using it since it's only shroud portals that have massive unbypassable DR for now. If you're not willing to carry around a chaos weapon set for Shroud and Evil for Archons then you might want to swap it out for Feywild.
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Reply #397 - Mar 26th, 2016 at 10:17am
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Excuse me, does anyone care to explain why everybody is under the impression that power critical is not complete ass?

Come on.... even with a crit profile of 11-20 x5 it only adds 5 damage per hit on average..... With a crit profile of 17-20 x4 it adds 8 damage on 17-20 which comes down to CRAP. WAKE THE FUCK UP PEOPLE.


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Reply #398 - Mar 26th, 2016 at 11:30am
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MisterHank wrote on Mar 26th, 2016 at 10:17am:
Excuse me, does anyone care to explain why everybody is under the impression that power critical is not complete ass?

Come on.... even with a crit profile of 11-20 x5 it only adds 5 damage per hit on average..... With a crit profile of 17-20 x4 it adds 8 damage on 17-20 which comes down to CRAP. WAKE THE FUCK UP PEOPLE.


Or am i missing something here?

U should take skill focus:hide
  
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Reply #399 - Mar 26th, 2016 at 3:31pm
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ring with con + resonance is nice with feywild,
you'll probably get more mileage out of sneak attack feat though, your MP is like 20 higher? even with a loss of 15(?) ranks in hide?

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