Sim-Sala-Bim wrote on Dec 12^th, 2014 at 2:52am:


Why not just use a hire, i hear they are good at that lol

KilgoreTrout wrote on Dec 12^th, 2014 at 1:35am:

Strongs only!

Who Cares wrote on Dec 12^th, 2014 at 2:50am:


Ironically as a former Healer, it's more common to have someone screaming at me to stop enjoying the game and focus only on their red bar...   

Packfan wrote on Dec 12^th, 2014 at 6:48am:



Was that damage bypassing PRR/MRR?
Not many can survive a hit for 1500+ damage, not to mention coming from 2 Champs at once.
That's pretty "challenging".

It was force damage, I don't think MRR was a factor. My PRR/MM is 190/100, and we had a Pal in the party with 244/whatever, and he was taking the same, so I don't think it mattered.

As for hits from champions, they weren't too bad, but you could only take 2-3 before having to heal. He was getting hit for 270-300 in some cases. I was flanking and getting SA damage so I never took too many hits, but when I did it hurt.

The eyestalks were a bitch. That room, generally, was a bitch. When I got raised I stayed on the perimeter and took out the flayers first, due to their stuns, then champion stalks, regular stalks, then whatever. When they were all grouped up I'd sometimes have a hard time seeing the crowns.

If my guildie didn't have rez cakes we probably wouldn't have tried again. I left mine on another toon, thinking we wouldn't need them. We had about 50 deaths total, with about half from that room, a large portion from the balloon phase (only one of us ran it before) and a couple odds and ends from big numbers.

The most frustrating champion was a beholder that seemed immune or highly resistant to my melee attacks. The casters finished him though. It reminded me of Diablo 2 in that battle.

Revaulting wrote on Dec 11^th, 2014 at 8:06pm:


This. Ran on my 19 and 1 or 2 was not an issue, but if I tried to sprint to pick up a large group I could laugh at before now becomes interesting. I like it, although saw no chests, guess I gotta pay attention? Did they spawn where you killed them?

KilgoreTrout wrote on Dec 12^th, 2014 at 1:35am:

Healers died with motu.
IF you are only healer now, you are wasting party slot.

Who Cares wrote on Dec 12^th, 2014 at 2:50am:


If that's all they are doing, then you are correct, but in 6 man content a decent divine can mother hen your red bar and own your kill count.

Who Cares wrote on Dec 12^th, 2014 at 2:50am:


This is probably the subject of a different thread  but decent Cleric isn't just standing there. Either they are wading in at the front line using bursts and aura to keep other melee going and throwing heals to supplement or they are hanging back using their array of instakills to thin out trash and throwing heals.

Part of the reason I enjoy playing Clerics is that it is quite difficult multi tasking like that and I find it quite fun.

Revaulting wrote on Dec 12^th, 2014 at 2:20pm:

Pet Mimic!!!

Oh wait. 

Revaulting wrote on Dec 11^th, 2014 at 4:09pm:


I had one in Prison of the Planes that was in the floor and I couldn't open it. I think I had 3 total (with what seemed like dozens of champions) and the ones I could reach were trash, so I didn't mind missing that one.

I can see why very good (and jaded) players would benefit from the Champion system as it adds more randomness to an otherwise near certain win, but for those of us who can still find a difficulty that challenges us, the Champion system rather sucks. Not major sucks, but solidly on the "better without it" side.

Not that I really expect anything more from Turdbin, but still, it would have been nice to be surprised

Revaulting wrote on Dec 12^th, 2014 at 7:41pm:


Wow, sounds like they have the spawn calibration way off.
All 4 horrors (guards) were champs?  That doesn't make them rare or even uncommon.

I have not played U24 yet, so not commenting on them much other than to say, having read the forums here and there, there does seem to be something not quite right.
But despite all the complaints, you know the devs are just laughing their asses off.
For Turdbine, unhappy player base = WIN!

I've always believed that they should introduce variability into the game to improve replayabilty, but this mechanism isn't right.  It's just a cheesy, lazy and the usual Turdbine buggy as hell.
It could be ok if they were only 2-3 per quest (group scaling should apply) and they had a few buffs (but it seems like they have up to 5)?

Creatures doing multiple 1000's in damage is just stupid.  Very few toons are capable of surviving that - and it is not in isolation.  Then you put 2 or 3 in a room together?

Yep, the devs will think it is hilarious egged on by the ego maniacs going "still too easy".  It doesn't matter if it is too easy for the 0.1% who have mastered the game, it's about making the content accessible (Hard) and challenging (Elite) for the bulk of players.
Be interesting to see what they do about it (assuming they know how to fix it).