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Re: Max DPS Unarmed Rogue Build
Reply #50 - Feb 12th, 2015 at 8:32am
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nicetrybutimjesus wrote on Feb 12th, 2015 at 5:28am:
18 barb 1 fvs 1 fighter and tree have more dps than wolf

Max unarmed.
And 18 barb sucks.
Loses to wolf as well.
20 barb is godly tho since that fuckin castone is op
  
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Re: Max DPS Unarmed Rogue Build
Reply #51 - Apr 3rd, 2015 at 2:57am
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So the rogue pass looks pretty worthless. I'll probably pick up Assassin's Trick, when I rework the AP, but I don't see any other changes happening with this build.

I guess I might test out the new Measure the Foe.
  

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Re: Max DPS Unarmed Rogue Build
Reply #52 - Apr 26th, 2015 at 11:37pm
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In case you hadn't noticed, apparently Turbine stealth-nerfed helpless sneak attack damage last update...so this build is shelved for now.
  

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Re: Max DPS Unarmed Rogue Build
Reply #53 - Apr 27th, 2015 at 8:12am
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I mean the chances are slimmer than turbines QA budget, but if the new Lethality works unarmed it might be an avenue.
  
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Re: Max DPS Unarmed Rogue Build
Reply #54 - Apr 29th, 2015 at 1:59pm
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If you insist on not using wolf and staying unarmed you really must add whirlwind attack in your builds, it's THAT good.
  
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Re: Max DPS Unarmed Rogue Build
Reply #55 - Apr 29th, 2015 at 11:58pm
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Tincan wrote on Apr 27th, 2015 at 8:12am:
I mean the chances are slimmer than turbines QA budget, but if the new Lethality works unarmed it might be an avenue.


Wishful thinking.
  

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Re: Max DPS Unarmed Rogue Build
Reply #56 - Apr 30th, 2015 at 12:01am
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doubleBs wrote on Apr 29th, 2015 at 1:59pm:
If you insist on not using wolf and staying unarmed you really must add whirlwind attack in your builds, it's THAT good.


Whirlwind is great for unarmed, but cleaves are bad for sneak attack. Also, where the hell would I pull 4 feats from?
  

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Re: Max DPS Unarmed Rogue Build
Reply #57 - Jul 29th, 2015 at 2:34am
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I took another look at this build to reinvestigate the issue. After a fresh ER, I went out and punched some stuff for ~50 base damage and ~100 SA damage. After stunning this went to ~200 base and ~100 SA (Non-crit. Stunned crit was 5-600). I had No Mercy and Sense Weakness on for +110% helpless damage, but theres no way that quadruples the base damage. I suspect that the nerf didn't happen, the game just started graphically adding the extra SA damage to the base number for some reason. (The combat log does not distinguish, it reports the sum of base +SA as one line.)

With this in mind I'm inclined to remake the build (probably needs fighter levels now) but based on prior performance I expect it to be too squishy for endgame EE's without heavy past life investment in PRR and HP.
  

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Re: Max DPS Unarmed Rogue Build
Reply #58 - Aug 14th, 2015 at 11:59pm
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I did some more testing. I think I'm going to need to give up on unarmed combat and go with short swords for this build and rely solely on Balanced Attacks for helplessness.

Keeping Stunning Fist endgame relevant is consuming too many build/gear resources and switching to weapons opens up ninja poison, assassin venom, and ToEE melee power.

  

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Re: Max DPS Unarmed Rogue Build
Reply #59 - Aug 15th, 2015 at 5:22am
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Yeah. My final remaining (melee) monk agrees and has picked up shortswords. It's almost like someone tried to warn Egodrin during the enhancement p-arse that he was fucking up Monks and he wouldn't listen.

Even spamming DoD and SF/others makes it, well, not as good as most other melee. The big question for me is will they balance it back to reasonably ok before they shut the doors...?
  
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Re: Max DPS Unarmed Rogue Build
Reply #60 - Aug 15th, 2015 at 6:07am
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I thought about 8 fighter to do it with other weapons, but the APs don't work out.
  

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Re: Max DPS Unarmed Rogue Build
Reply #61 - Sep 27th, 2015 at 5:38am
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I'm probably going to TR this character into this build when I get back around to him:

http://www.ddovault.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1443260776/0#0

It's pretty much doing the same thing, but with a bow option. I will miss the bazillion sneak attack damage though.
  

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Re: Max DPS Unarmed Rogue Build
Reply #62 - Mar 6th, 2016 at 12:50pm
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Glass cannons are in style since LE is often a rez scroll circle jerk. Gnome adds crit range to shortswords. Level 30 adds cool stuff.

I am resurrecting this build.
  

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Reply #63 - Mar 6th, 2016 at 2:58pm
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5FS's Sneaky Fist Gninja v3.1


Race: Gnome/LR+1'd Deep Gnome
Alignment: Lawful Neutral
Class: 13 Rogue/4 Monk/3 Ranger


Stats: (36 pt build, +5 supreme tome or better recommended)

Strength............6
Dexterity...........18 (+ level ups)
Constitution.......16
Intelligence........10
Wisdom.............16 (18 iconic)
Charisma............8 (6 iconic)

RaRM RaMR RRRR MRRR MRR RaRR

Feat Progression

Level 1     : Quick Draw
Level 3(M): Precision
Level 3     : Completionist
Level 4(Ra): Rapid Shot, TWF
Level 5(M): Deflect Arrows
Level 6     : Adept of Forms
Level 9     : Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Level 11(M):Fists of Darkness
Level 12   : Master of Forms
Level 15   : Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Level 16   : Opportunist
Level 18   : Improved Critical Pierce
Level 20   : Improved Evasion
Level 21   : Overwhelming Critical
Level 24   : Improved Sneak Attack
Level 26   : Perfect Two Weapon Fighting
Level 27   : Weapon Focus Pierce
Level 28   : Elusive Target
Level 29   : Dire Charge
Level 30   : Sneak of Shadows
Level 30   : Scion of Ethereal Plane


Enhancements

Gnome: 17 AP

Cores 5/5 (7 pts)
Stealth 2/3 (2 pts) (iconic take Underdark XP instead)
Weapon Training 4/4 (8 pts)


Assassin: 23 AP
Cores 3/6
Sneak Attack Training 1-3 (6 pts)
Stealthy 3/3
Venomed Blades 3/3
Dex+1
Critical Mastery 3/3
Killer 3/3


Ninja Spy: 26 AP
Cores 2/6
Sneak Attack Training 1-3 (6 pts)
Acrobatic 3/3
Subtlety 3/3
Unbalancing Strike (2 pts)
Sting of the Ninja (2 pts)
Dex +1
No Mercy 3/3


Shintao: 7 AP
Cores 1/6
Deft Strikes 3/3 (2 pts)

Tempest: 6 AP

Cores 2/6
Improved Defense 3/3
Improved Reaction 1/3

Deepwood: 1 AP

Cores 1/6


Epic Destiny: Legendary Dreadnought

AB: Attack 1/3
Extra AB 3/3
Legendary Tactics 3/3

AB Damage 3/3

AB: Haste 3/3
Critical Damage 3/3

Volcano's Edge

Devastating Critical
Advancing Blows

Master's Blitz (PRR)


Twists: 4/3/3/1

Sense Weakness
Balanced Attacks
Grim Precision
Rejuvenation Cocoon

Gear: In progress. MF Shortswords where they work. Shuriken for ranged option.

Ballpark 100 average base sneak attack * (1.5*130 MP)= 295 * 260% helpless = 767 * 100% offhand = 1534 + 65% DS = ~2032.55 of just sneak attack damage per animation.
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Re: Max DPS Unarmed Rogue Build
Reply #64 - Mar 11th, 2016 at 3:30pm
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- What is Sneak of Shadows?
- What would you use if not a completionist?
- Aside from trapping/UMD, what other skills take precedence?

I guess I'm just itching to TR my star chucker after three lives of it...
  

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Re: Max DPS Unarmed Rogue Build
Reply #65 - Mar 11th, 2016 at 10:21pm
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Rabbit wrote on Mar 11th, 2016 at 3:30pm:
- What is Sneak of Shadows?

Rogue past life

You recall more about your past life as a rogue. You have +1 to all skills and three times per rest you can skulk with the skill of your past life, gaining bonuses equal to your level to your hide and move silently skills, a +1 bonus to sneak attack damage for every two character levels, and a +1 bonus to hit with sneak attacks for every four levels. Note: 1 Minute per use.

That's an elegant pairing with Scion of the Ethereal Plane.
  
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Re: Max DPS Unarmed Rogue Build
Reply #66 - Mar 14th, 2016 at 11:22am
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Rabbit wrote on Mar 11th, 2016 at 3:30pm:
- What is Sneak of Shadows?


The active rogue past life feat. It is an action boost for +25 base sneak attack damage at 30 (and +1 passively to all skills.)

Rabbit wrote on Mar 11th, 2016 at 3:30pm:
- What would you use if not a completionist?


Weapon Focus: Pierce (and then a secondary WF at 27.)

I just updated the current build, dropping crippling strike for improved evasion and epic reflexes for weapon focus.

Rabbit wrote on Mar 11th, 2016 at 3:30pm:
- Aside from trapping/UMD, what other skills take precedence?


Hide, Move Silently, Concentration, Heal, Diplomacy.

+4 or better INT tome highly recommended.
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Re: Max DPS Unarmed Rogue Build
Reply #67 - Mar 14th, 2016 at 12:40pm
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More precise sneak attack numbers:

133.5 average base sneak attack (17d6+33 standing hide mod+25 SoS boost+16 from Strange Tidings)* (1.5*146 MP=219 effective MP)(30 epic levels+70 blitz+20 ToEE+18 LD levels+6 Sightless+2 WF)= 425.865 * 260% helpless = 1107.249 * 100% offhand = 2214.498 + 65% DS = 2934.20985 of just sneak attack damage per animation.


Some ballpark more precise weapon damage numbers:

5.75d6+15 enhancement+25 avg dex (.5 modifier on ~37% of attacks)+12 deadly + 5 AB = 77.125x1.4 (crit profile) = 107.975+16.1 (23 seeker) x 2.46 (MP) = 305.2245 x 2 (100% offhand) = 610.449 + .65 (DS) = 808.844925

plus

Mainhand 17.64 (4.5 x 3.92) poison + 25 (100 x 25%) sting + 27 ToS + 17.25 DE + 36 MF + 10.5 CW Ruby = 133.39 x 1.65 (DS) = 220.0935

Offhand 17.64 (4.5 x 3.92) poison + 25 (100 x 25%) sting + 6.75 GM + 7.5 GES + 6.55 GSB + 10.5 CW Ruby = 73.94



= 4037.088275 damage per animation w/ t3 tf/ToEE SS combo

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Re: Max DPS Unarmed Rogue Build
Reply #68 - Mar 14th, 2016 at 5:54pm
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I like the idea, though trying to figure out what this buys you instead of just going full blown Rogue 20 Assassin.

Well, I see what it buys you, I guess I'm weighing that vs. what you'd be getting as a full blown 20 Rogue Assassin. Some minor defensive enhancements, 20% more chance for offhand hit, Helpless damage (which I am not really a fan of)....

Full rogue might give more crit multiplier if using daggers, SA dice roughly even.....I haven't math'd this up yet, but am I missing some obvious advantage to your build over a full rogue? Or is it really just a flavor thing to take advantage of Deep Gnome's synergy with short swords and Monk Ninja
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Re: Max DPS Unarmed Rogue Build
Reply #69 - Mar 14th, 2016 at 6:53pm
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Brodhi wrote on Mar 14th, 2016 at 5:54pm:
I like the idea, though trying to figure out what this buys you instead of just going full blown Rogue 20 Assassin.

Well, I see what it buys you, I guess I'm weighing that vs. what you'd be getting as a full blown 20 Rogue Assassin. Some minor defensive enhancements, 20% more chance for offhand hit, Helpless damage (which I am not really a fan of)....

Full rogue might give more crit multiplier if using daggers, SA dice roughly even.....I haven't math'd this up yet, but am I missing some obvious advantage to your build over a full rogue? Or is it really just a flavor thing to take advantage of Deep Gnome's synergy with short swords and Monk Ninja


That's fair, the damage is probably more. Pure assassin has a lot going for it in the 18 and 20 cores.

It's mainly about defenses. Probably the biggest thing is saves. Pure is 6/12/6 base. This build is 15/19/13 in water stance. and nets 7 more dodge. Throw in a few more HP, and 2 second cooldown Deflect Arrows, extra feats, concentration and heal as full rank skills, and a little bit of heal amp and positive spell power.
  

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Re: Max DPS Unarmed Rogue Build
Reply #70 - Mar 15th, 2016 at 4:50pm
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Brodhi wrote on Mar 14th, 2016 at 5:54pm:
I guess I'm weighing that vs. what you'd be getting as a full blown 20 Rogue Assassin.


Crap. Now I'm curious. I'm going to end up laying out a pure assassin just for comparison and people are gonna be like "lol another pure build."
  

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