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Reply #50 - Feb 25th, 2015 at 4:00am
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DropBear wrote on Feb 25th, 2015 at 3:43am:
They have said a merge is not on the table, but never explained why and there could be several valid reasons
Duplicates in my opinion are not one of those reasons.
Creating a unique identifier for each character would be a simple script.  Combine two existing fields that creates a unique combination.
For eg. Where a name is shared, the toon gets renamed Tarzan-Thelanis and gets a free rename token in the mail.
If the outrage is unbearable, make the unique ID a combination of firstnam-surname, with surname defaulting to server name if you don't have the latter.

Hell if you wanted to get sexy with the scripting, give priority to recent or active toons over many year dormant ones.
You're not taking away dormant account's names, you're just letting your existing clients have first access to the toon name without surname.

Hell, allow more characters in names such as numerics and symbols.

I just can't believe they would let something this simple get in the way (because it is just a mask to say "too hard/expensive").



Donno where I got the duplicate issue from, but I recall a dev mentioning it somewhere. And now you're just assuming that Turbine knows how to write proper code... they don't even have enough ppl on bug fixes as it is, nor do they test properly.. and as seen they don't have version control. How on earth do you expect them to do a server merge with the current tools?

Yes, bringing someone in to do it, could be something... but that again would cost money I don't think they're willing to spend.

Oh, I remember something else about the duplicates. Someone wanted to allow guild transfers.. but the devs replied that also creates duplicate issues that they're not willing to work on... not worth the money to do it.
  
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Reply #51 - Feb 25th, 2015 at 4:01am
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Grand wrote on Feb 25th, 2015 at 3:47am:
Wow! this is like watching someone attempting to discuss thermodynamics with a goat! 


You're the goat.
  
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Reply #52 - Feb 25th, 2015 at 4:08am
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Angry wrote on Feb 25th, 2015 at 4:01am:




This is fun! I feel like I'm on the bunny slope of trolling, or learning how to fish in a triple stocked pond!  Smiley

Oh fuck me this could be addictive, I'm beginning to see the draw.
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Reply #53 - Feb 25th, 2015 at 4:16am
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Grand wrote on Feb 25th, 2015 at 4:08am:
This is fun! I feel like I'm on the bunny slope of trolling, or learning how to fish in a triple stocked pond!  Smiley

Oh fuck me this could be addictive, I'm beginning to see the draw.

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Reply #54 - Feb 25th, 2015 at 4:56am
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Angry wrote on Feb 25th, 2015 at 4:00am:
Donno where I got the duplicate issue from, but I recall a dev mentioning it somewhere. And now you're just assuming that Turbine knows how to write proper code... they don't even have enough ppl on bug fixes as it is, nor do they test properly.. and as seen they don't have version control. How on earth do you expect them to do a server merge with the current tools?

Yes, bringing someone in to do it, could be something... but that again would cost money I don't think they're willing to spend.

Oh, I remember something else about the duplicates. Someone wanted to allow guild transfers.. but the devs replied that also creates duplicate issues that they're not willing to work on... not worth the money to do it.

I wasn't questioning the veracity of your statement as I rea the duplicates are too hard excuse somewhere.
I'm just suggesting that duplicate names are probably the least of their technical issues.
And God no, I would never suggest that the graduates from the coding school for clowns 2014 go anywhere near that task.  When I made those suggestions, I had in mind someone competent and experienced.

Can't one of you clever DB boffins here put in a proposal to do it for them?  Make it reasonable and do it for the players?  Please?   Smiley

I'm sure there would be lots of little annoying technical issues.
That's why you have a PC - to help spot some of them, and even suggest solutions.
WB must have some decent in-house people to help with the planning.  Just hire someone who has done it before and get on with it I say.


  
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Reply #55 - Feb 25th, 2015 at 5:26am
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DropBear wrote on Feb 25th, 2015 at 4:56am:
When I made those suggestions, I had in mind someone competent and experienced.


Guess that rules out Turbine employees Tongue.
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Re: Only 65 people on the server right now
Reply #56 - Feb 25th, 2015 at 6:01am
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DropBear wrote on Feb 25th, 2015 at 4:56am:
I wasn't questioning the veracity of your statement as I rea the duplicates are too hard excuse somewhere.
I'm just suggesting that duplicate names are probably the least of their technical issues.
And God no, I would never suggest that the graduates from the coding school for clowns 2014 go anywhere near that task.  When I made those suggestions, I had in mind someone competent and experienced.

Can't one of you clever DB boffins here put in a proposal to do it for them?  Make it reasonable and do it for the players?  Please?   Smiley

I'm sure there would be lots of little annoying technical issues.
That's why you have a PC - to help spot some of them, and even suggest solutions.
WB must have some decent in-house people to help with the planning.  Just hire someone who has done it before and get on with it I say.




It's the excuse for : it's too expensive...

Now since you asked : It's dead easy to make a script that rename wholesale a field by adding $Server to it.

update Names append $Server from ( Select Names from characters )  or something like that...
Well it should take less than an hour for a DBA to sort out.

The problem is Turbine.... We all know ( from Cannith and the adventure compendium ) that their DBA have no clue and that simple things like Sort By Quest Level in a select statement and indexes are beyond their grasp.
  

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Re: Only 65 people on the server right now
Reply #57 - Feb 25th, 2015 at 6:06am
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DropBear wrote on Feb 25th, 2015 at 4:56am:
Can't one of you clever DB boffins here put in a proposal to do it for them?  Make it reasonable and do it for the players?  Please?   Smiley


OMG

Imagine giving access to DDO code to some of the people in here.
  
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Reply #58 - Feb 25th, 2015 at 7:49am
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qweeve wrote on Feb 25th, 2015 at 6:06am:
OMG

Imagine giving access to DDO code to some of the people in here.

ohh how i would love that
  



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Re: Only 65 people on the server right now
Reply #59 - Feb 25th, 2015 at 9:20am
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Skrilla wrote on Feb 24th, 2015 at 6:14am:
That is from the who list. But cant be much more. Nobody  really anon on here now days.

It's funny from someone who is always anon!  Grin
  

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Reply #60 - Feb 25th, 2015 at 9:21am
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Angry wrote on Feb 25th, 2015 at 3:07am:
Quite sure you can forget about a server merge. Merging servers, they'd have to worry about all the potential duplicates, and a lot of ppl would have to change toon names etc etc. Look at what happened with Lama, they tried to allow you to re-transfer your toon without a wipe, but it failed (unless they've somehow fixed it now, but I doubt it). A server merge would mean lots and lots of work and potential problem... all of which would cost them money, not make them any. In a dying game, that just isn't something they are going to waste money on.

And yes, the devs have said multiple times that a merge is not on the table, and the duplicate problem has been mentioned.

If they can transfer chars to another server and add -1 to their name, they can do it with server merge too.
  
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Reply #61 - Feb 25th, 2015 at 9:27am
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The server merge is already happening. Just look at the mass exodus from Orien. I know of at least 20 that have moved to thelanis in the last few months and I see even more toons with a -1 after their names.
  
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Reply #62 - Feb 25th, 2015 at 9:34am
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JW wrote on Feb 25th, 2015 at 9:27am:
The server merge is already happening. Just look at the mass exodus from Orien. I know of at least 20 that have moved to thelanis in the last few months and I see even more toons with a -1 after their names.


Are you one of them?
  
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Reply #63 - Feb 25th, 2015 at 9:38am
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FuckThisShit wrote on Feb 25th, 2015 at 7:49am:
ohh how i would love that

Just so you could pass it off to me because you wouldn't know what the fuck to do with it.
  
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Reply #64 - Feb 25th, 2015 at 9:40am
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Angry wrote on Feb 25th, 2015 at 9:34am:
Are you one of them?

You should come too to Thelanis.  Cheesy
  
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Reply #65 - Feb 25th, 2015 at 9:41am
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Yeah. I moved 3 toons over.
  
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Reply #66 - Feb 25th, 2015 at 9:45am
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yeah I heard OR moved to Thelanis, and myths is almost totally gone among others. I even got invited to join a couple if the large guilds still left.
  
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Reply #67 - Feb 25th, 2015 at 9:47am
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JW wrote on Feb 25th, 2015 at 9:41am:
Yeah. I moved 3 toons over.


Smiley that's funny (cause I remember ppl here telling u to)

Viktor Vaughn wrote on Feb 25th, 2015 at 9:40am:
You should come too to Thelanis.  Cheesy


Was that for me?

First of all, if I was to move, it'd prolly be G-land, not Thelanis.. second, I'm currently working on trying to get ppl together for EE raids, so I have no plans on moving.
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Reply #68 - Feb 25th, 2015 at 9:49am
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Lehane wrote on Feb 25th, 2015 at 9:45am:
yeah I heard OR moved to Thelanis, and myths is almost totally gone among others. I even got invited to join a couple if the large guilds still left.


OR? Think you mean JP. The few OR's that still play are still on Orien.

Unless u mean someone else...
  
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Reply #69 - Feb 25th, 2015 at 9:55am
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Why is that funny? They were right. If you want to run EE raids then come to thelanis.
  
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Reply #70 - Feb 25th, 2015 at 9:57am
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Ginger_Walri wrote on Feb 25th, 2015 at 9:38am:
Just so you could pass it off to me because you wouldn't know what the fuck to do with it.

would you really have it any other way?  Kiss
  



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Reply #71 - Feb 25th, 2015 at 9:59am
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FuckThisShit wrote on Feb 25th, 2015 at 9:57am:
would you really have it any other way?

Just because I code for a living doesn't mean I like to code in my spare time to satisfy your curiosity fuckwit.
  
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Reply #72 - Feb 25th, 2015 at 10:04am
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mystafyi wrote on Feb 24th, 2015 at 7:52pm:
It did not used to be this way. I ran many raids and dungeons with folks  from other countries. It was commonplace to have an Aussie or Kiwi, a European or an Asian in the group. sometimes all of the above at once.

So many left or waned off ddo with motu...


Yeah, 2 years ago our Sunday guild runs spanned 3 continents. Now if we have one at all it's most likely a friend or two from my own state.

Most of the guild is active on Path of Exile now, though, so far *they* haven't had a MOTU shark to jump.

But I do wonder why Americans are still playing and thed rest of the world isn't. My international friends have complained about lag and bugs too much to keep track of, but all of that happens here too. Why do we stay and they don't?

I'd love to hear some thoughts on that, even wild ass guesses. I thought it was just my perception that the mix was tilting American, but if others are noticing too, then maybe it's real and I'd like to understand why.
  

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Reply #73 - Feb 25th, 2015 at 10:08am
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JW wrote on Feb 25th, 2015 at 9:41am:
Yeah. I moved 3 toons over.


I haven't been saddened by anyone leaving Orien so either I truly didn't know you or you were one of the handful of cunts I wished would play in traffic  Cheesy
  
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Reply #74 - Feb 25th, 2015 at 10:12am
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Jelly_Muffin wrote on Feb 25th, 2015 at 10:08am:
I haven't been saddened by anyone leaving Orien so either I truly didn't know you or you were one of the handful of cunts I wished would play in traffic 

Odds are it's the latter.
  
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