I play a DoD Pally...5 ranger / 15 Paladin...I tried for archery options but they were horrible when play tested.

By not going 15 Pally you lose Holy Sword and Zeal...so your DPS will drop.

Doing range without being in Fury is horrible damage and really not worth it (IMO based on well...actually testing it). You can do significantly more damage in a few seconds of weapon swinging than in a burst Manyshot and you'll save yourself a couple feats.

Calculated Manyshot DPS with full stacks blitz and holy sword/zeal: ~1,300 dps

I can post more details on what I'm running around with if you'd like.

MadCookieQueen wrote on Feb 25^th, 2015 at 12:17pm:
lies! there cannot be any bard levels.

MadCookieQueen wrote on Feb 25^th, 2015 at 12:17pm:

Yeah I figured, but I'm bored and want to pike quests getting primal etrs while stealing kills, so manyshot looked appealing. My alt needs the 2nd pally life anyway and tired of thf/swf on everything, all the time. Will be running around in Fury during leveling and bored of LD/DC.


MadCookieQueen wrote on Feb 25^th, 2015 at 12:17pm:

Have you tried it with fury/slayer? Thinking I can do decent dps bursts with holy sword and imp crit.

MadCookieQueen wrote on Feb 25^th, 2015 at 12:17pm:

yes please

Rubbinns wrote on Feb 25^th, 2015 at 12:27pm:


I do actually play other classes than Bard

Rubbinns wrote on Feb 25^th, 2015 at 12:27pm:


As a note...Rage effects of Fury/Adrenaline do not work with Defender stance and that is considered WAI.

I couldn't make that trade off as to me I'd rather have the defense bonuses than 20 seconds of burst and then done.

That's just my style and what I find effective, ymmv

Rubbinns wrote on Feb 25^th, 2015 at 12:27pm:


Short version:

Human 15 Pally / 5 Ranger (Ranger 1 - 5, Pally 6 - 20)

Str: 54/69-- (16 base + 5 tome +7 levels +1 GoTIB +6 SD Stance +1 enh (Tempest) +8 Item +2 Profane +2 ship +2 rams +1 ED +2 completetionist / + 16 Divine Might)
Dex: 36 -- (15 base + 5 tome + 11 item +4 insight +1 GoTIB +2 insight +2 profane +2 ship +2 completetionist)
Con: 44 -- (15 base +6 tome +11 item +4 insight +1 GoTIB +2 profane +2 Ship +2 completetionist)
Int: 19 -- (8 base +4 tome +1 GoTIB +2 profane +2 ship +2 completetionist)
Wis: 30 -- (8 base +5 tome +8 item +1 GoTIB +2 profane +2 insight +2 ship +2 completetionist)
Cha: 42 -- (16 base +6 tome +8 item +2 insight +1 GoTIB +2 profane +1 enh (SD) +2 ship +2 yugo +2 completetionist)

Feats: Passive Past Lives, All but Monk, Ranger, Pally all at x3
ETR active stances (I have more but only for epic completetionist and a few more points of PRR): Doublestrike x3, Brace x3, Colors x3, Weapon x3

Base: Power Attack (1), Exotic Khopeshes (1), Completionist (if not an option, Cleave is fine) (3), Quicken (6), ITWF (9), Improved Critical: Slash (12), GTWF (15), IC: Bludgeon (for swapping to warhammers for undead beating in orchard/thunderholme) (18), Overwhelming Critical (21), Maximize (24), Epic Toughness (27),
Destiny: Toughness (26), Perfect Two-Weapon Fighting (28)
Ranger: FE: Undead (1), FE: Human (5)

Enhancements:

Ranger: Tempest (36 ap)
C: Shield of Whirling Steel (1), Tempest (1)
I: Whirling Blades (2), Improved Reaction III (3)
II: Haste Boost III (6), Whirling Blades (2), Improved Parry III (6)
III: Whirling Blades (2), Str (2)
IV: The Growing Storm III (3), Whirling Blades (2)
V: Dance of Death III (3)

Paladin: Knight of the Chalice (16 ap):
C: Slayer of Evil (1), Courage of Heaven (1),
I: Extra Turning III (3), Exalted Smite I (1)
II: Divine Might II (4), Exalted Cleave III (3)
III: Vigor of Life (2), Divine Sacrifice I (1)

Paladin: Sacred Defender (25 ap):
C: Holy Bastion (1), Sacred Defense (1), Divine Righteousness (1), Redemption (1)
I: Improved Sacred Defense: PRR III (3), Sacred Armor Mastery III (3), Extra Lay on Hands I (1)
II: Improved Sacred Defense: Threat III (3),
III: Improved Sacred Defense: Saves III (3), Tenacious Defense III (3), Cha I (2)
IV: Swift Defense (1), Greater Sacred Defense: Str III (3)

Human (3 ap):
C: HV: Damage Boost (1)
I: Improved Recovery (2)

Epic Destiny –Legendary Dreadnought
I: Extra Action Boost III (3), Str (2)
II: Momentum Swing III (3), Improved Power Attack (2), Action Boost: Damage III (3)
III: Lay Waste (1)
IV: Anvil of Thunder (2)
V: Devasting Critical (2), Advancing blows (2)
VI: Masters Blitz (2), Pulverizer (2)

Twists: Sacred Ground (3), Balanced Attacks (3), Consecration (2), Brace for Impact (1)

Or

Epic Destiny –Divine Crusader
I: Bane of Undeath (2), Purge the Wicked (1), Str (2)
II: Consecration III (3), Smite the Wicked (2)
III: Sacred ground (2)
IV: Crusade (2), No regret (2)
V: Heavenly Presence (2), Celestial Champion (2), Castigation (2)
VI: Strike Down (2)

Twists: Grim Percision (3), Balanced Attacks (3), Momentum Swing (2), Brace for Impact (1)

Hopefully that gives you some ideas.

Wipe wrote on Feb 25^th, 2015 at 1:24pm:


And that's the biggest reason Fury is shitty for melee these days.

Nice build monk, thx. I may do that and could also use the pdk past lives. No one on my server runs ee wyrm or abbot and I wont be taking imp crit bludgeon and pierce. There arent any kopesh that I like in heroic or epic. May use bastard swords like twinblade, first blood, nightmare.

Question, is imp crit pierce over kopesh for heavy picks better. Heroic Deathnips for leveling and citw weapons for epic leveling. TF heavy pick in DC is 15-20x5, kopesh is 13-20x4. In LD 17-20x5 for picks and 15-20x4 kopesh.

Probably wont end up taking stunning blow either. I do like that it gets haste boost for grim precision twist slot.

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Doesn't 10k stars require monk 6?

Kaezin wrote on Feb 26^th, 2015 at 8:04pm:


If you want to bother taking 10k stars, yes, it would require 6monk.

It's pretty stupid to take all those ranged feats then not take ips ( which is double - ten fold increase in damage ) imo.

Drow khops are okay if you have Devo on a helm for example.
Looks cool, increased threat until TF.

Lelouch wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 5:32am:


Quoted here and there.