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Lelouch Shroud Slacker Offline What is a moron? A person playing ddo Posts: 1073 Joined: Apr 19^th, 2014	Re: MAX DPS Swashbuckler Build Reply #25 - Mar 5^th, 2015 at 2:20pm	Print Post
	Wait wait wait, did he say that frozen fury with its superb dc calculation and a 6 sec cd 6 sec duration as 12 bard making "everything helpless" is worthless?


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Teth Dragon Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 250 Joined: Jan 31^st, 2014	Re: MAX DPS Swashbuckler Build Reply #26 - Mar 5^th, 2015 at 4:11pm	Print Post
	Lelouch wrote on Mar 5^th, 2015 at 2:20pm: Wait wait wait, did he say that frozen fury with its superb dc calculation and a 6 sec cd 6 sec duration as 12 bard making "everything helpless" is worthless? He said it's worthless for his build. And judging by his enhancements/setup it would be worthless. He's right to stick with shield bash/anvil.


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5 Foot Step Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Hate Idiots! Posts: 11119 Location: USA Joined: Mar 8^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: MAX DPS Swashbuckler Build Reply #27 - Mar 5^th, 2015 at 9:46pm	Print Post
	Teth wrote on Mar 5^th, 2015 at 4:11pm: He said it's worthless for his build.� And judging by his enhancements/setup it would be worthless.� He's right to stick with shield bash/anvil.� Not my fault he didn't go Cha for main stat to take advantage of one of the strongest melee bard abilities. Cha is way more synergistic. Then he could have no fail Frozen Fury & Stunning Shield DCs.

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Teh_Troll Ex Member	Re: MAX DPS Swashbuckler Build Reply #28 - Mar 6^th, 2015 at 4:46am	Print Post
	5 Foot Step wrote on Mar 5^th, 2015 at 9:46pm: Not my fault he didn't go Cha for main stat to take advantage of one of the strongest melee bard abilities. Cha is way more synergistic. Then he could have no fail Frozen Fury & Stunning Shield DCs. I prefer strength, since there are many enhancements + buffs that boost it that well. I am not going to bother with yet another clicky (especially if it only works on single targets) which i wouldn't even use most of the time. Also certainly not going to sacrifice a reliable aoe knockdown source (lay waste) plus i prefer having some of my ap in stalwart. Come to think of it, i also would have to take cha to dmg from swash, or worse pdk knight training.
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5 Foot Step Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Hate Idiots! Posts: 11119 Location: USA Joined: Mar 8^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: MAX DPS Swashbuckler Build Reply #29 - Mar 6^th, 2015 at 5:01am	Print Post
	Quote: I prefer strength, since there are many enhancements + buffs that boost it that well. I am not going to bother with yet another clicky (especially if it only works on single targets) which i wouldn't even use most of the time. Also certainly not going to sacrifice a reliable aoe knockdown source (lay waste) plus i prefer having some of my ap in stalwart. Come to think of it, i also would have to take cha to dmg from swash, or worse pdk knight training. Stalwart is very good, but you know that very few of those AP are netting you any DPS on a supposed "MAX DPS" build. Hmm, I wonder how many monks would take stunning fist if there were a Wis to damage enhancement...

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Teh_Troll Ex Member	Re: MAX DPS Swashbuckler Build Reply #30 - Mar 6^th, 2015 at 5:09am	Print Post
	5 Foot Step wrote on Mar 6^th, 2015 at 5:01am: Stalwart is very good, but you know that very few of those AP are netting you any DPS on a supposed "MAX DPS" build. Hmm, I wonder how many monks would take stunning fist if there were a Wis to damage enhancement... Shield Expertise: Shields and weapons you equip gain +1/+2/+3 to their Enhancement bonus. Also strong defense and the strength bonus adds to dps. Lets not forget that i could take the stunning blow feat anytime (and probably follow with follow up for the extra melee power.) with a dc of 74+ making it work reliable enough. Though as i said, i don't really need it. Stalwart is a great contribution to overall dps output.
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5 Foot Step Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Hate Idiots! Posts: 11119 Location: USA Joined: Mar 8^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: MAX DPS Swashbuckler Build Reply #31 - Mar 6^th, 2015 at 5:17am	Print Post
	Quote: Some of Stalwart is a great contribution to overall dps output. FTFY

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Teh_Troll Ex Member	Re: MAX DPS Swashbuckler Build Reply #32 - Mar 14^th, 2015 at 6:41am	Print Post
	5 Foot Step wrote on Mar 6^th, 2015 at 5:17am: FTFY You have to look at the whole package, which is much better than what other prestiges give.


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5 Foot Step Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Hate Idiots! Posts: 11119 Location: USA Joined: Mar 8^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: MAX DPS Swashbuckler Build Reply #33 - Mar 14^th, 2015 at 10:33pm	Print Post
	Quote: You have to look at the whole package, which is much better than what other prestiges give. No, if you are going to claim "MAX DPS" then you can't justify loading ~10 extra points into Defender just for defense when there is no-brainer dps just sitting there like the melee power in Harper, Frozen Fury and other goodies in WC, etc.

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Lehane Waterworks Kobold Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 116 Joined: Feb 4^th, 2014	Re: MAX DPS Swashbuckler Build Reply #34 - Mar 14^th, 2015 at 11:55pm	Print Post
	5 Foot Step wrote on Mar 14^th, 2015 at 10:33pm: No, if you are going to claim "MAX DPS" then you can't justify loading ~10 extra points into Defender just for defense� when there is no-brainer dps just sitting there like the melee power in Harper, Frozen Fury and other goodies in WC, etc. perhaps he should do "max dps", "brutal dps", and "legendary dps" versions then?


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Teh_Troll Ex Member	Re: MAX DPS Swashbuckler Build Reply #35 - Mar 15^th, 2015 at 12:34am	Print Post
	5 Foot Step wrote on Mar 14^th, 2015 at 10:33pm: No, if you are going to claim "MAX DPS" then you can't justify loading ~10 extra points into Defender just for defense� when there is no-brainer dps just sitting there like the melee power in Harper, Frozen Fury and other goodies in WC, etc. Oh boy, you can't dps when you are dead. Just saying� . Warchanter is shit aside from frozen fury which i won't even need, and i am not going to sacrifice a reliable knockdown source (lay waste) for that plus i need the strength for stunning blow as well in case i wanna take it. There are many melee power sources from vanguard aka follow up (which i won't take without stunning blow +9 MP) and melee power boost (which btw stacks with my other boosts, making triple boosting possible to use +30 MP). I can easily get that by sacrificing heal amp from pdk, secound skin and +1 con from Warchanter without even touching stalwart. Harper is a joke because none wants to spend 1 ap for only 1 melee power per rank so i wouldn't even consider taking it. Oh an besides, frozen fury is not bad, but not enough if you are not planning to go pure. I have been trying that build and the dc was not high enough when doing higher EE content without the pdk training. (75-77 dc) with pdk training, which means no handaxe or lights picks only shortswords forcing me to loose a big chunk of dps, lost from weapon damage and crit profile, or (68-70) without pdk training, what in my opinion is rather low and not enough dc for tough ee content. It is pretty obvious to me that aside from con to damage not going strength is a noob trap, enough said.
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bleedblast Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 9 Joined: Dec 2^nd, 2014	Re: MAX DPS Swashbuckler Build Reply #36 - Mar 15^th, 2015 at 2:53am	Print Post
	Don't waste your time guys once he claimed 12 fighter with bard swash was the best way to go using keen edge! I know� . then I told him better use exploit weakness he told me nah keen edge > exploit weakness. Now he is playing the 12 6 2 bard icon good build but not best dps out there and I'm telling you 15 bard 5 whatever� better in dps, fun, defence and cc than 12 bard 6 fighter 2 whatever. right now running the 15 bard 4 fighter 1 wiz Idk if it's the best dps bard swash variant but hey 84 spinning ice dc (82 if are just 12 bard lvls 13-14 +1dc snd the song you get in lvl 15 bard +1 dc) mmm love it. enhanments tier 5 warchanter ofc some swash some vanguard dc stun bonus (kensei stun bonus as well)� works with spinning ice and frozen fury + some stalwart defense 1400 hp and 160 prr good enough using shortsword and that's how you play bards nowadays kid but good try�
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Teh_Troll Ex Member	Re: MAX DPS Swashbuckler Build Reply #37 - Mar 15^th, 2015 at 3:14am	Print Post
	bleedblast wrote on Mar 15^th, 2015 at 2:53am: Don't waste your time guys once he claimed 12 fighter with bard swash was the best way to go using keen edge! I know� . then I told him better use exploit weakness he told me nah keen edge > exploit weakness. Now he is playing the 12 6 2 bard icon good build but not best dps out there and I'm telling you 15 bard 5 whatever� better in dps, fun, defence and cc than 12 bard 6 fighter 2 whatever. right now running the 15 bard 4 fighter 1 wiz Idk if it's the best dps bard swash variant but hey 84 spinning ice dc (82 if are just 12 bard lvls 13-14 +1dc snd the song you get in lvl 15 bard +1 dc) mmm love it. enhanments tier 5 warchanter ofc some swash some vanguard dc stun bonus (kensei stun bonus as well)� works with spinning ice and frozen fury + some stalwart defense 1400 hp and 160 prr good enough using shortsword and that's how you play bards nowadays kid but good try� Nice try, but see above. At lvl 12 Bard with 52 sustainable cha the DC for frozen fury is : 10 + 6 (half bard lvl) + 21 (cha mod) + 7 (pdk training) + 6 LD + 5 combat mastery + 12 stunning + 3 past life + 7 know the angels = 77 DC, but i won't be using shortswords for obvious reason so the dc drops to 70 which is not enough imo. Light picks ≥ Hand Axes > Shortswords. Spinning ice ? lol ! 15 bard lvl ? less crits because less bashing, also less feats. No exploit weakness and coup de grace ? really ? Limiting yourself to the worst weapon, shortswords. really ? Nice Troll attempt though.
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Teh_Troll Ex Member	Re: MAX DPS Swashbuckler Build Reply #38 - Mar 15^th, 2015 at 3:16am	Print Post
	Secound build v1.1 now updated. Note : The Melee Power Boost from "Vanguard" does not share a cooldown with your other boosts.
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5 Foot Step Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Hate Idiots! Posts: 11119 Location: USA Joined: Mar 8^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: MAX DPS Swashbuckler Build Reply #39 - Mar 15^th, 2015 at 3:41am	Print Post
	Quote: Oh boy, you can't dps when you are dead. Just saying� . Are you seriously that bad at this game that you need a big old noob crutch just to stay alive? Learn the mantra, repeat the mantra: "Do not gimp out for hit points." Do not gimp out for hit points. Do not gimp out for hit points. Do not gimp out for hit points.

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Teh_Troll Ex Member	Re: MAX DPS Swashbuckler Build Reply #40 - Mar 15^th, 2015 at 3:45am	Print Post
	5 Foot Step wrote on Mar 15^th, 2015 at 3:41am: Are you seriously that bad at this game that you need a big old noob crutch just to stay alive? Learn the mantra, repeat the mantra: "Do not gimp out for hit points." Do not gimp out for hit points. Do not gimp out for hit points. Do not gimp out for hit points. Higher EE Quest Champions hit for 1k and above. Learn the mantra, repeat the mantra : "You do zero dps when dead" You do zero dps when dead. You do zero dps when dead.
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5 Foot Step Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Hate Idiots! Posts: 11119 Location: USA Joined: Mar 8^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: MAX DPS Swashbuckler Build Reply #41 - Mar 15^th, 2015 at 3:51am	Print Post
	Quote: Higher EE Quest Champions hit for 1k and above. Learn the mantra, repeat the mantra : "You do zero dps when dead" You do zero dps when dead. You do zero dps when dead. If you can't stay alive due to having a few less AC and 1300 hp instead of 1560, then you don't belong in EE.

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5 Foot Step Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Hate Idiots! Posts: 11119 Location: USA Joined: Mar 8^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: MAX DPS Swashbuckler Build Reply #42 - Mar 15^th, 2015 at 3:52am	Print Post
	bleedblast wrote on Mar 15^th, 2015 at 2:53am: Don't waste your time guys once he claimed 12 fighter with bard swash was the best way to go using keen edge! I know� . then I told him better use exploit weakness he told me nah keen edge > exploit weakness. I remember that. That was extremely retarded huh?

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Teh_Troll Ex Member	Re: MAX DPS Swashbuckler Build Reply #43 - Mar 15^th, 2015 at 3:57am	Print Post
	5 Foot Step wrote on Mar 15^th, 2015 at 3:51am: If you can't stay alive due to having a few less AC and 1300 hp instead of 1560, then you don't belong in EE. I can, but i prefer to not jump like a rabbit when healing myself plus not having swift defense makes me slower as well. Maybe you don't belong in ee for not having a single CC option on your supposed max dps barbarian, let alone cleave and momentum swing/lay waste.
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Teh_Troll Ex Member	Re: MAX DPS Swashbuckler Build Reply #44 - Mar 15^th, 2015 at 4:00am	Print Post
	5 Foot Step wrote on Mar 15^th, 2015 at 3:52am: I remember that. That was extremely retarded huh? Because that was obvious Troll attempt which you believed right away ? What about your barbarian for you took toughness/etoughness for instead of stunning blow and cleave ? Huh, i thought only gimps prefer more hit points over dps ? Remember not to be a douche, when your ego gets hurt because others can make better toons than yourself.
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Lelouch Shroud Slacker Offline What is a moron? A person playing ddo Posts: 1073 Joined: Apr 19^th, 2014	Re: MAX DPS Swashbuckler Build Reply #45 - Mar 15^th, 2015 at 4:25am	Print Post
	Quote: There are many melee power sources from vanguard aka follow up (which i won't take without stunning blow +9 MP) and melee power boost (which btw stacks with my other boosts, making triple boosting possible to use +30 MP). How you do that? Triple boost that is


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Lelouch Shroud Slacker Offline What is a moron? A person playing ddo Posts: 1073 Joined: Apr 19^th, 2014	Re: MAX DPS Swashbuckler Build Reply #46 - Mar 15^th, 2015 at 4:27am	Print Post
	Quote: Because that was obvious Troll attempt which you believed right away ? What about your barbarian for you took toughness/etoughness for instead of stunning blow and cleave ? Huh, i thought only gimps prefer more hit points over dps ? Remember not to be a douche, when your ego gets hurt because others can make better toons than yourself. Bard whatever is not better then pure barb, if it is.. Then there is no hope for you


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Teh_Troll Ex Member	Re: MAX DPS Swashbuckler Build Reply #47 - Mar 15^th, 2015 at 4:27am	Print Post
	Lelouch wrote on Mar 15^th, 2015 at 4:25am: How you do that? Triple boost that is Melee Power Boost from "Vanguard" does not share a cooldown with your other boosts, hence you could activate all three, Haste Boost - Racial Damage Boost - Melee Power Boost at the same time.
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Teh_Troll Ex Member	Re: MAX DPS Swashbuckler Build Reply #48 - Mar 15^th, 2015 at 4:28am	Print Post
	Lelouch wrote on Mar 15^th, 2015 at 4:27am: Bard whatever is not better then pure barb, if it is.. Then there is no hope for you I played one right after the update with the Ravager/Frenzy one as a pdk, but honestly i was not impressed. Not after what they have done to storms eye...


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Lelouch Shroud Slacker Offline What is a moron? A person playing ddo Posts: 1073 Joined: Apr 19^th, 2014	Re: MAX DPS Swashbuckler Build Reply #49 - Mar 15^th, 2015 at 4:29am	Print Post
	Quote: Melee Power Boost from "Vanguard" does not share a cooldown with your other boosts hence you could activate all three, Haste Boost - Racial Damage Boost - Melee Power Boost at the same time. Hmm interesting, honestly i never even considerd to play a shield toon since they just.. Feel weak. Still even with that knowledge i doubt il swap alt from pure barb to that, bards suck in my textbook even after the buff (personal hate)


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