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Mar 4th, 2015 at 11:23am
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So, I've never made a REAL bow-user before and I think I might like to try one out. I've made a Bowbarian (not real impressed with it), a thrower (was kinda fun), and a toon who was primarily a melee-type but would switch to a bow when the Manyshot timer was up.

I want to make straight-out a Pinion-using archer.

I'm not super interested in being a monkcher (you can't use 10,000 Stars with bows anymore, right?) either but I guess I could be convinced otherwise I suppose.

Anyway, what would be my primary class for being an almost pure archer? 9 levels of Ranger? 12 levels of Fighter? Something else? If 10K Stars was still usable with Bows, would I take 12 levels of Monk? If not, how many levels of Monk would be sufficient?

Just ranged-curious I suppose.

Fun fact...I've never had a toon whose icon was a Ranger icon. Never was interested in the actual Ranger class before now.
  

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Reply #1 - Mar 4th, 2015 at 11:27am
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Arkat wrote on Mar 4th, 2015 at 11:23am:
you can't use 10,000 Stars with bows anymore, right?

No.

Arkat wrote on Mar 4th, 2015 at 11:23am:
If 10K Stars was still usable with Bows, would I take 12 levels of Monk?

Yes.
  
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Reply #2 - Mar 4th, 2015 at 11:28am
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Hmmm...need to be Centered to use 10K Stars?

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Doesn't matter as I need to be centered to stay in Master of Rock stance to get the +1 Crit multiplier, +12 PRR, and +3 CON.
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Astral wrote on Mar 4th, 2015 at 11:27am:
No.

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I guess 12Monk/6Ranger/2Pal or 2Ftr are the standard Monkcher class splits? Any other decent possibilities?

  

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Arkat wrote on Mar 4th, 2015 at 11:54am:
I guess 12Monk/6Ranger/2Pal or 2Ftr are the standard Monkcher class splits? Any other decent possibilities?


14 pal 6mnk elf for aa tree.
  

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Reply #6 - Mar 4th, 2015 at 1:11pm
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Rubbinns wrote on Mar 4th, 2015 at 12:03pm:
14 pal 6mnk elf for aa tree.


Can also go helf and get damage boost, lose a feat tho.
Overall is a bit more dps during furyshot since you are str based and able to dboost
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Reply #7 - Mar 4th, 2015 at 4:39pm
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Arkat wrote on Mar 4th, 2015 at 11:23am:
I'm not super interested in being a monkcher (you can't use 10,000 Stars with bows anymore, right?) either but I guess I could be convinced otherwise I suppose.


They still work together atm. But I wouldn't bother making a 10k stars / manyshot character now.
  

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Munkenmo wrote on Mar 4th, 2015 at 4:39pm:
They still work together atm. But I wouldn't bother making a 10k stars / manyshot character now.

How come? Are there other Bow-using builds that are or will be better?
  

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14/6 pally monk is harder hitting and more snipery than 12/6/2.

Haven't played an archer until you one shot 100k orange nameds. Fuckton of fun. It's really fun in group, not so much alone.
35 k arrows against trash on full dex with old holy sword, obv wisdom is better, still 25- 30k now and then.
  
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Wipe wrote on Mar 4th, 2015 at 11:31am:
You're gonna do well here.


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Reply #11 - Mar 4th, 2015 at 6:41pm
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Arkat wrote on Mar 4th, 2015 at 5:10pm:
How come? Are there other Bow-using builds that are or will be better?



The -100% doubleshot blows.

14/6 p/m elf works well; check out Sestra's build thread on the other forums for a basic run down. You dont need that leveling order, you only need those feats - so take monk at 2 at the earliest, and make sure you can take precison/zen archery/10k stars as monk feats.

It is feat starved (no completionist), and you do get hedged into dex / wis via elven grace, or fudge the stats to use INT for harper tree.

I'm curently running a 1st life verson with hand me downs for gear and no GS, not even a minos. I still have a laugh when I keep ahead of uber multi-completionists.

Fuck its funny seeing melee round around after feared mobs Cheesy

Paralyzing arrows ftw, content is easy.

Does anyone know of non-raid bows in heroic content better than Bow of Sinew?
  
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Reply #12 - Mar 4th, 2015 at 6:44pm
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Wipe wrote on Mar 4th, 2015 at 6:30pm:
14/6 pally monk is harder hitting and more snipery than 12/6/2.

Haven't played an archer until you one shot 100k orange nameds. Fuckton of fun. It's really fun in group, not so much alone.
35 k arrows against trash on full dex with old holy sword, obv wisdom is better, still 25- 30k now and then.


Same thoughts, my 14/6 experiment is my first non-arti ranged character. Lots of fun Smiley
  
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Lelouch wrote on Mar 4th, 2015 at 1:11pm:
Can also go helf and get damage boost, lose a feat tho.
Overall is a bit more dps during furyshot since you are str based and able to dboost


How would you fit bow str into a 14/6?

KoTC tree has a ranged damage boost
  
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Nub wrote on Mar 4th, 2015 at 6:41pm:
Does anyone know of non-raid bows in heroic content better than Bow of Sinew?

Yeah, any thf weapon, decent charisma and beeline for Kotc Holy Retribution. 30+ dc will based instakill around GH. Try it, just once.

  
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So, Elf or Half-Elf for this 14Pal/6Monk build or does it really matter? Both get access to the AA tree.
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Wipe wrote on Mar 4th, 2015 at 6:48pm:
Yeah, any thf weapon, decent charisma and beeline for Kotc Holy Retribution. 30+ dc will based instakill around GH. Try it, just once.



Will try that on my alts, cheers
  
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Arkat wrote on Mar 4th, 2015 at 6:51pm:
So, Elf or Half-Elf for this 14Pal/6Monk build or does it really matter? Both get access to the AA tree.


Elf gets around the feat limitation by using elven grace (dex to damage with longbows)

HElf; you could get creative I suppose... WIS/INT build?
I believe that you would loose too much trying to fit in bow str ala 12/6/2 moncher
  
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Nub wrote on Mar 4th, 2015 at 6:41pm:
The -100% doubleshot blows.


I can say it's not that.
  

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Munkenmo wrote on Mar 4th, 2015 at 8:07pm:
I can say it's not that.


Peaked my interest.. I will have to wait and see what happens.
  
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Arkat wrote on Mar 4th, 2015 at 6:51pm:
So, Elf or Half-Elf for this 14Pal/6Monk build or does it really matter? Both get access to the AA tree.


If you really want to go ahead with this:

Helf gets racial damage boost & the rogue dill.

Elf will have an easier time qualifying for epic combat archery, point blank shot increases & has the option for dex - damage/to hit.(it's a noob trap, don't factor it in)

Either way you're locked into a minimum of 14 racial ap for Elven AA. If you're willing to LR+1, I'd actually go Sun elf.

Get the first 4 cores. Both ranks in Rejuvenation of Dawn (10ap), then pick up racial AA.  I'd go for a wis primary/int secondary build with use of the harper tree.
  

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Munkenmo wrote on Mar 4th, 2015 at 8:07pm:
I can say it's not that.


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Thanks Munk. Perhaps I will wait unti U25 comes out.
  

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Nub wrote on Mar 4th, 2015 at 6:41pm:
14/6 p/m elf works well; check out Sestra's build thread on the other forums for a basic run down.

Got a link? There is no user named "Sestra" on the DDO Forums.
  

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Arkat wrote on Mar 6th, 2015 at 1:02pm:
Got a link? There is no user named "Sestra" on the DDO Forums.

https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/429975-Sestra-s-Build-Thread

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