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The Meteor Shower

The Meteor Shower rev. 2

Tinkerhell

Munkenmo wrote on Mar 17^th, 2015 at 4:38am:


there are many ways to skin a cat

also halfling isn't the only source of better crit profile for throwers

Whatamidoing wrote on Mar 17^th, 2015 at 6:59am:


Thanks, and I'm glad I at least gave someone something to think about.

I purposely didn't make the opening post about a particular build, because really it's just a framework that offers some interesting results.  The recipe is just shuriken (with shuriken expertise and probably ninja spy core II) + AA + Fury.  From there I see a lot of options.

Honestly though, if anyone wants to try it, I just want to give a reminder that you won't see awesome returns if you don't stay in Fury of the Wild.  It isn't one of those builds that is awesome no matter what destiny you pick.  Adrenaline + Arrow of Slaying when you are throwing average of more than 3x Shuriken per toss is crazy high damage, but you normal attacks aren't going to be as good as some other options.

Currently I'm playing Elf 11 Wiz/6 Ranger/3 Monk, but I see a lot of options.

-Race could be Helf and still have access to AA capstone.  You lose 2 racial DEX, but can get +3 bonus during action boost (in this case probably pick up one of the AA boosts, which I usually skip).

-Race could also be halfling for those who absolutely insist on it, but you'd be taking Ranger AA rather than racial, so no capstone (still not bad though).

-If bard's swashbuckling crit multiplier worked on thrown, I'd consider that over monk.  You lose ninja spy II, but I think you could get enough doubleshot to be getting close to the 3x shuriken/throw mark.  And when you use Arrow of Slaying even having only 2x/throw would be a wash (3x with x2 multiplier, or 2x with x3 multiplier).  I don't know if it would perform as well regarding recharging adrenaline though...that's a key to keeping consistent DPS and it relies on the fact that you make a lot of attacks.

-Obviously rogue is still an option for more DEX (shadow dodge), but like I said, I've moved away from it preemptively since they are changing it.

-I originally picked 6 ranger in order to get sniper shot, because I had more adrenaline than I knew what to do with, and didn't always want to wait for arrow of slaying to come off CD (and didn't want to "waste" adrenaline on a regular attack).  I've played with enhancements a few times though and at the moment I have KTA rather than sniper shot and am mostly ok with it.  This makes me wonder if Ranger could be replaced with something else.

-A follow on to the above, I've actually considered going Paladin and wearing heavy armor.  Yes this means no monk stance, but that would be somewhat mandatory anyway as I'd be giving up 2 feats on a feat starved build, so probably couldn't get Grandmaster Forms anyway.  The up side would be very nice save boosts (just put a few points in CHA) and of course the nice PRR/MRR (though no sacred defender stance since this guy uses adrenaline).  For anyone wondering, my preliminary testing shows that you don't lose the chance to throw an extra star from Ninja Spy II when you aren't centered.

I'm sure there are a lot of other options I'm not thinking of.

Personally i played a 9 rogue 6 monk 5 ranger halfling.
In that build i tried 2 things.
First was ti go t5 stalker and abuse archer  stacks stance swap to have perma 20 stacks  running.
2nd wa to try and get some dshoot and abuse  slaying shot.
I played with scroll tensor and encourage everyone to do so since its stupid to wast precious class levels and ap on something you can easy replicate with scrolls.

Anyways elf with bow manyshot is  a good idea but .id stick with halfling since  better im precise.
But elf got a good one as well.
Thing i dont like bout manyshot is dahoot penality.

My opinion is that aa shuris  and deepwood are juat better.
Simple reason is shris lack burst dps.
They all have se trash clear and burst dps is very needed.
I tried to keep the aa shuri being best hidden heh.
But now that its out gjob opener and i like that you play with it.
I never liked hars builds due to  focus on tensors and shitty burst since i prefer to solo duo or box ees.
His builds were rather bad for boss efficoency to me.
Aa tho in blitz or fury is ectremely good on the other side

Sry for typos, wrote on phone

oh I agree sniper shot is good especially with adrenaline and is the better DPS choice. but I personally was trying to stack particle effects and had a lot of fun in wraith from

gabrion wrote on Mar 18^th, 2015 at 5:04pm:


If you're gonna do uncentered, maybe you should pick up arti instead of wiz, so you can pick up a rune arm as well as tensors and elemental weapons.  You really only need 3-4 paladin levels for almost all the benefits.  14/3/3 is what I'm currently using as a shuritank.

AtomicMew wrote on Mar 18^th, 2015 at 10:57pm:


At the very least I'll be doing something Tinkerhell lite for one life since I want completionist on this guy and currently don't have arti past life.  Its always been a fairly elegant solution (giving tensers, better BAB than wizard so you don't have to worry where IPS fits, bonus feats that are more versatile than wizard for a build like this, better skills, better HD, etc) but in my currently build I couldn't fit 12 levels of a casting class to pick up tensers, since I "needed" 6 Ranger and 3 Monk.

Like yiu said though, 14/3/3 would be a good split for the Arti/Monk/Pally version.  2 more levels in either Monk or Pally wouldn't give much, so might as well get a few more perks from Arti. 

crunch wrote on Mar 19^th, 2015 at 8:58am:


I don't think it will change some of the standard builds because of its placement - 18 levels of rogue means no ninja training II for extra Shuriken.  I do think it opens options though and at the very least I'll probably end up doing a pure rogue life playing with it.

Oh, all that assumes they actually get it to work.  To my knowledge they've failed every time implementing an increased crit multiplier for Shuriken (holy sword and swashbuckler).

Whatamidoing wrote on Mar 20^th, 2015 at 8:24am:


Ya I saw that and its pretty good news. Unless for some reason ranged power doesn't apply to Shuriken, its just a net positive for them. 

IIRC Fury is only getting 1 per EL, of course on top of what every gets for epic levels, but it'll still be my preferred destiny.  It looks to me like this will be about a flat 30% damage increase.  So instead of slaying arrows doing about 12k DMG, they go up to 15k.  Not bad at all.

I hope while they are looking at ranged stuff they get rid of the double shot penalty for manyshot/10k and replace it with something else.  If they aren't going to change bow attack speed/animation, they need to start attaching a base ranged power mod to item types - great crossbow 200 ranged power, bow 100 ranged power, or whatever.  Then they could add in a reduction to ranged power for manyshot (maybe minus 100) and 10k stars (maybe 50) to replace the double shot penalty.  Those are really off the cuff numbers though.