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Re: U25 Shuriken
Reply #125 - Jul 6th, 2015 at 12:25pm
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kum-gulp wrote on Jul 6th, 2015 at 12:10pm:
Sorry for the lazy query but is Hum 20 Mnk worth TRing into if you're already a Halfling with a Mnk/Rog hybrid build? Better enough to be worth the slog back to cap? Not inclined to TR given how Halfling works well but if this is much better then I'll think on.


100% depends on your class splits and enhancements and therefore resulting SA damage and Ranged Power numbers. Equipment also would affect the answer to a certain degree.

If you have 90+ RP, and 12+ SA Dice with good sources of equipment based SA Damage (SA and Insightful SA), then no its not worth it. I have to run a new updated calc based on the recent fixes to Mechanic Ranged Power bug, but I think a heavy split like 11/13 Rogue comes out in front. Potentially an 8Rogue/6Ranger/6Monk for 10k too which I'm going to add to my list, since Ranger gives a few nice SA dice along with Sniper Shot.

Multi-class thrower builds start to pull away as the SA dice increase along with RP. Pure 20 Monk throwers have a very limited amount of SA dice available to them, especially if going Human.

Honestly I think the best Pure Monk thrower would be a Shadar Kai, since they get cheap racial SA dice (3 I think, but I have just started looking at them) along with a racial Deception proc. Human Dex Action Boost is not really worth it, and I think you can spare the feat.

If you're not Pure Monk tho, you need to be Halfling for the Crit Profile, but they also get cheap Racial SA dice Smiley
  
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Reply #126 - Jul 6th, 2015 at 4:35pm
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Cheers, that's really useful. Think I'll leave my halfling be then.

Though it's also good to know the ins & outs, as that's helped decide something else so ta for the mechanics reasoning. As it happens I love Monks for the run speed, but I've abandoned most of mine as the game's moved on. This info convinces me to switch back to pure monk from a flavour monk mutt, get a zippy-fast character back and have a second thrower. I've always liked ranged so having a second is no bad thing.
  
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Reply #127 - Jul 6th, 2015 at 5:33pm
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make sure you're slotting some Deception too, it makes a huge difference, though re: my other thread, I can't exactly tell you with confidence the exact best way to do so, yet.
  
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Reply #128 - Jul 6th, 2015 at 9:39pm
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harharharhar wrote on Jul 6th, 2015 at 11:13am:
i see someones been reading my thread on the main forums.


Link?

I haven't bothered with the shithole forums for a while.
  

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Reply #129 - Jul 6th, 2015 at 9:44pm
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20 Monk is quite good now with Harper, fixed Crit Profile, fixed Poison, and fixed Shadow Dodge. Basically all the things my builds capitalized on over time since I started doing throwers about 1.5 years ago.

SA and RP scaling still leaves a little wiggle room tho
  
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Reply #130 - Jul 6th, 2015 at 10:21pm
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harharharhar wrote on Jul 6th, 2015 at 9:44pm:
https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/462363-Dear-Devs-Thrown-Weapon-Multipl...

20 Monk is quite good now with Harper, fixed Crit Profile, fixed Poison, and fixed Shadow Dodge. Basically all the things my builds capitalized on over time since I started doing throwers about 1.5 years ago.

SA and RP scaling still leaves a little wiggle room tho


Good post. Too bad it's swimming in a sea of shit over there.
  

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Reply #131 - Jul 6th, 2015 at 10:23pm
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5 Foot Step wrote on Jul 6th, 2015 at 10:21pm:
Good post. Too bad it's swimming in a sea of shit over there.


Agreed, but I already got Kawaii infracted and a bunch of her idiot posts removed so even if nothing happens, I've already won.
  
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Reply #132 - Jul 6th, 2015 at 11:52pm
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harharharhar wrote on Jul 6th, 2015 at 10:23pm:
Agreed, but I already got Kawaii infracted and a bunch of her idiot posts removed so even if nothing happens, I've already won.


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harharharhar wrote on Jul 6th, 2015 at 10:23pm:
Agreed, but I already got Kawaii infracted and a bunch of her idiot posts removed so even if nothing happens, I've already won.

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Reply #134 - Jul 7th, 2015 at 11:32am
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Such a shame.  Kawai is a well respected member of the community.  Her game insight, contributions to build design and positive attitude will not be forgotten. 

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Reply #135 - Jul 7th, 2015 at 11:43am
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DoRayEgon wrote on Jul 7th, 2015 at 11:32am:
Ranggger Danggger.  At you, not with you.

i wanted to stab something just now >.<
  

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Reply #136 - Jul 7th, 2015 at 1:44pm
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harharharhar wrote on Jul 6th, 2015 at 5:33pm:
make sure you're slotting some Deception too, it makes a huge difference, though re: my other thread, I can't exactly tell you with confidence the exact best way to do so, yet.

Cheers, will do. I do this usually anyway, as I often have a source of SA and even if not it's nice hitting backs.
  
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Reply #137 - Jul 11th, 2015 at 5:20pm
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Race: Human
Alignment: Lawful Neutral
Class: 20 Monk


Stats:......... (36 pt build)

Strength............8
Dexterity...........18 (+ level ups)
Constitution.......12
Intelligence.........8
Wisdom.............18
Charisma............8
(+5 or better Dex and Wis tomes recommended)


Feat Progression

Level 1   : Point Blank Shot
Level 1(H)Precise Shot
Level 1(M)Shuriken Expertise
Level 2(M)Precision
Level 3   : Quickdraw
Level 6   : Rapid Shot
Level 6(M)10K Stars
Level 9   : Completionist
Level 12 : Improved Critical
Level 15 : Improved Precise Shot
Level 18 : Weapon Focus: Thrown
Level 21 : Overwhelming Critical
Level 24 : Combat Archery
Level 26 : Holy Strike
Level 27 : Epic DR
Level 28 : Doubleshot



Enhancements

Ninja: 41 AP

Core 6/6
Sneak Attack Training 4/4 (8 pts)
Faster Sneaking 2/3 (4 pts)
Stealthy 3/3
Acrobatic 3/3
Agility 3/3
Sting of the Ninja (2 pts)
+1 DEX
+1 DEX
No Mercy 3/3 (6 pts)
Crippling Strike (2 pts)


Racial: 5 AP

Core 2/5 (3 pts)(Damage AB, DEX)
Improved Recovery (2 pts)


Henshin: 8 AP

Core 1/6
Tortoise Form (2 pts)
Negotiator 2/3
Contemplation 3/3


Harper: 25 AP

Core 4/6 (DEX) (6 pts)
Harper Enchantment (2 pts)
Traveler's Toughness 2/3
Versatile Adept I 3/3
Versatile Adept II 3/3
Versatile Adept III 2/3
Know the Angles 1/3
Highly Skilled 2/3
+1 DEX
+1 DEX


Shintao: 1 AP

Core 1/6



Epic Destiny: Divine Crusader

Interrogation
Purge The Wicked
+1 WIS

Consecration 3/3
Flames of Purity 1/3
+1 WIS

Sacred Ground
+1 WIS

Crusade
+1 WIS

Castigation
Celestial Champion
Heavenly Presence




Twists: 4/3/1/1

Shadowdancer Echoes
Whirling Wrists
Rejuvenation Cocoon
Enlightenment


Dexterity:
18 base
7 tome
7 level
4 Wind Stance
11 gear
4 insight
1 exceptional
2 profane
2 completionist
1 racial ap
4 Harper ap
2 NSpy ap
2 NSpy capstone
1 twist
=66 Standing

4 Tensors
2 ship
2 yugo
2 store pot
=76 Buffed

+3 three epic dex feats
+3 twists
=82 Theoretical Full Retard

Wisdom:
18 base
7 tome
2 completionist
11 enhancement
2 insightful (augment)
2 profane
1 exceptional
4 ED
=47 standing

2 guild ship
2 yugo
=51 buffed


Gear:

Eyes: E. Glimpse
Head: Dragon Masque
Neck: Mystic Eidolon
Trinket: E. Litany
Back: Mysterious Cloak
Waist: E. Thoughtful Remembrance
Ring1: Swap
Hands: Sanctified Gages
Feet: E. Innocent
Ring2: Avithoul Seal
Wrists: E. Ethereal
Quiver: EE poison
Armor: ToEE Robe
Mainhand: T3 TF Shuriken or Min 2 Shuriken (5-20x2 critical, ~100 poison damage per crit)
Offhand: Upgraded ToEE kama or Shortsword

+19 augment slots




im leveling this right now... it's painful early on.

shuri are too slow, no twf for wraps, no str for qstaff.....
  

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Reply #138 - Jul 11th, 2015 at 8:08pm
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You dint need twf for wraps and you should be able to dex to damage on a qstaff
  
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Reply #139 - Jul 11th, 2015 at 8:10pm
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Nm forgot pure monk sucks but you dont really need a big str bonus to use a qstaff
  
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Reply #140 - Jul 11th, 2015 at 11:07pm
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harharharhar wrote on Jul 11th, 2015 at 8:10pm:
Nm forgot pure monk sucks but you dont really need a big str bonus to use a qstaff



Hit lvl 5 today. The shuri is now better than the qstaff. I grabbed the named one from STK. It's decent. By "decent", I mean I only KINDA want to stab my eyes out...

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Reply #141 - Jul 12th, 2015 at 12:07am
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haha soz mate. I still have A LOT of heroic stones, so I never have to bother with that jazz. By level 6 10k I bet it will ease up a little. Try to get the Snowstar fom C06, that shit is good into epics on a Pure monk
  
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Reply #142 - Jul 12th, 2015 at 12:35am
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harharharhar wrote on Jul 12th, 2015 at 12:07am:
haha soz mate. I still have A LOT of heroic stones, so I never have to bother with that jazz. By level 6 10k I bet it will ease up a little. Try to get the Snowstar fom C06, that shit is good into epics on a Pure monk



I literally have never run that full chain. But, I saw that on the wiki... there's a first for everything...
  

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Reply #143 - Jul 14th, 2015 at 1:13am
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Sorry, I guess I never put in my twink advice.

Level 1-2 you can equip handwraps, but really you'll just want to eat whatever daily dice stones you have laying around and then have Byron Scoutsword solo quests for you until you hit level 3.

Shuriken should be optimal by level 3 if you have 6 points in Ninja.
Dex to dmg and 2xDex extra attacks. You'll want to either be wearing a Quiver of Alacrity or carrying Haste pots though.

Shadowstar is almost mandatory, though you can put off getting it if you cast Flame Arrow a bunch of times before you TR. Snowstar is better versus fortified and/or poison-immune targets, but you'll usually want to have a keen named shuriken equipped (especially after you take Improved Crit.)

From level 4 on you'll want to have a Frozen Tunic on full time, just for Freezing Ice.

You should also have something decent in your offhand by now. I used a cannith crafted +% tendon slice of crippling until level 14 when I equipped Treason more or less full-time. If you can't/won't canntih craft for whatever reason, the Nicked Kama should be good enough for a while. ToEE short sword/kama should be excellent at level 7 as well if they transfer over the elemental AoEs like Celestia does (I haven't actually tested this though). Getting the mushrooms is kind of a pain though.
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Meat-Head wrote on Jul 11th, 2015 at 11:07pm:
Hit lvl 5 today. The shuri is now better than the qstaff. I grabbed the named one from STK. It's decent. By "decent", I mean I only KINDA want to stab my eyes out...


I was carrying average pugs by level 6. BB Proof is in the Poison was quite embarrassing for those guys, to the point that they literally asked me why I bothered grouping.
  

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5 Foot Step wrote on Jul 14th, 2015 at 1:29am:
I was carrying average pugs by level 6. BB Proof is in the Poison was quite embarrassing for those guys, to the point that they literally asked me why I bothered grouping.


Nightshield clickies/scrolls...MM spamming thieves are annoying as fuck  Grin
  

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5 Foot Step wrote on Jul 14th, 2015 at 1:29am:
I was carrying average pugs by level 6. BB Proof is in the Poison was quite embarrassing for those guys, to the point that they literally asked me why I bothered grouping.

Im going to one-up you because Im bored.

My server doesnt even ask me why i bother grouping. They just accept it like the sky being blue. You dont ask the sky why it's blue, it just is. Dont ask me why I group.
  

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They just accept it like the sky being blue. You dont ask the sky why it's blue, it just is. Dont ask me why I group.


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Reply #148 - Jul 14th, 2015 at 12:22pm
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Alex DeLarge wrote on Jul 14th, 2015 at 1:40am:
Nightshield clickies/scrolls...MM spamming thieves are annoying as fuck  Grin




Didn't they nerf nightshield to not block MM anymore?
  

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Reply #149 - Jul 14th, 2015 at 9:39pm
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Meat-Head wrote on Jul 14th, 2015 at 12:22pm:
Didn't they nerf nightshield to not block MM anymore?


Nope, still does.
  

OnePercenter wrote on May 15th, 2014 at 9:41am:
I just read that the cat followed up by visiting the dog house later that night, dropping some Willie Pete in on the sleeping dog.  #epochsfamiliarFTW

Sim-Sala-Bim wrote on Jan 27th, 2014 at 2:09am:
It seems like Epoch never loses his popularity.
Even against donuts.
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