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Re: U25 Shuriken
Reply #200 - Sep 27th, 2015 at 3:56am
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A new take for U28.

The Blender v3.0


Race: Half-Elf
Alignment: Lawful Neutral
Class: 20 Monk


Stats:......... (36 pt build)

Strength............8
Dexterity...........18 (+ level ups)
Constitution.......12
Intelligence.........8
Wisdom.............18
Charisma............8
(+5 or better Dex and Wis tomes recommended)


Feat Progression

Level 1   : Point Blank Shot
Level 1(M)Shuriken Expertise
Level 2(M)Precision
Level 3   : Quickdraw
Level 6   : Rapid Shot
Level 6(M)10K Stars
Level 9   : Precise Shot
Level 12 : Improved Critical
Level 15 : Improved Precise Shot
Level 18 : Completionist
Level 21 : Overwhelming Critical
Level 24 : Weapon Focus: Thrown
Level 26 : Holy Strike
Level 27 : Blinding Speed
Level 28 : Doubleshot
(WF at 18 and Combat Archery at 24 if not completionist)


Enhancements

Ninja: 41 AP

Core 6/6
Sneak Attack Training 4/4 (8 pts)
Faster Sneaking 2/3 (4 pts)
Stealthy 3/3
Acrobatic 3/3
Agility 3/3
Sting of the Ninja (2 pts)
+1 DEX
+1 DEX
No Mercy 3/3 (6 pts)
Crippling Strike (2 pts)


Racial: 15 AP

Core 5/5 (3 pts)(Human Damage AB, Elf DEX x2, Elf precision x2)
Improved Recovery
Rogue Dilletante SA
Rogue Dilletante Dex


Harper: 24 AP

Core 4/6 (DEX) (6 pts)
Harper Enchantment (2 pts)
Traveler's Toughness 2/3
Versatile Adept I 3/3
Versatile Adept II 3/3
Know the Angles 1/3
Highly Skilled 3/3
+1 DEX
+1 DEX



Epic Destiny: Shadowdancer

+6 dex
grim precision
sealed soul
executioner shot
etc.



Twists: 4/3/1/1

Shadowdancer Echoes
Whirling Wrists
Rejuvenation Cocoon
Enlightenment


Dexterity:
18 base
7 tome
7 level
4 Wind Stance
12 gear
4 insight
1 exceptional
2 profane
2 completionist
3 racial ap
4 Harper ap
2 NSpy ap
2 NSpy capstone
1 twist
6 ED
=75 Standing

4 Tensors
2 ship
2 yugo
2 store pot
=85 Buffed

+3 three epic dex feats
+3 twists
=91 Theoretical Full Retard

Wisdom:
18 base
7 tome
2 completionist
12 enhancement
4 insightful
2 profane
1 exceptional
=46 standing

2 guild ship
2 yugo
=50 buffed


Gear:

Eyes: Visions of Precison
Head: Sightless
Neck: Shroud of Ardent
Trinket: E. Litany
Back: E Hide of the Fallen
Waist: E. Thoughtful Remembrance
Ring1: E Stalker
Hands: Sanctified Gages
Feet: E. Ship Kickers
Ring2: Strange Tidings
Wrists: Mysterious
Quiver: E Dynamistic
Armor: ToEE scorched Robe
Mainhand: T3 TF Shuriken or Min 2 Shuriken (5-20x2 critical, ~100 poison damage per crit)
Offhand: Upgraded ToEE kama or Shortsword

~20 augment slots
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Re: U25 Shuriken
Reply #201 - Oct 7th, 2015 at 1:33am
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just made a Min 2 on my non pure thrower (just +1 comp crit from half) and in DC I crit on an 8 with Shadowstar, but still only crit on a 15 with the Min 2. Keen on the Min 2 is providing xero benefit.

I wonder if it has to do with how old the Min 2 is, or in the case of Shadowstar, if it has an old version of Keen.

  
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Re: U25 Shuriken
Reply #202 - Oct 7th, 2015 at 11:36pm
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harharharhar wrote on Oct 7th, 2015 at 1:33am:
just made a Min 2 on my non pure thrower (just +1 comp crit from half) and in DC I crit on an 8 with Shadowstar, but still only crit on a 15 with the Min 2. Keen on the Min 2 is providing xero benefit.

I wonder if it has to do with how old the Min 2 is, or in the case of Shadowstar, if it has an old version of Keen.



Hmm. I still haven't gotten around to making my Min2. Just got around to Shroud flagging the other day, lol.

I would expect Greensteel to be the older version of Keen though, as GS has been untouched but StK loot got Feathered. (Shadow Star shows Keen I, other items had slots added.)

I wonder if it's counting Shadow Star's base crit as 19-20. I'm pretty sure I remember critting on 17 when I was level 3.
  

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Reply #203 - Oct 8th, 2015 at 4:54pm
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I wish I could do a pure monk, but I just can not stand how 10k works really preferring to just run a nice high doubleshot arty/something.
  
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Re: U25 Shuriken
Reply #204 - Oct 8th, 2015 at 7:44pm
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5 Foot Step wrote on Oct 7th, 2015 at 11:36pm:
Hmm. I still haven't gotten around to making my Min2. Just got around to Shroud flagging the other day, lol.

I would expect Greensteel to be the older version of Keen though, as GS has been untouched but StK loot got Feathered. (Shadow Star shows Keen I, other items had slots added.)

I wonder if it's counting Shadow Star's base crit as 19-20. I'm pretty sure I remember critting on 17 when I was level 3.


I've tested it like 30 times. I'll test again when I get home. It doesnt roll a crit confirm under a 17 for my thrower in LD, shadowstar does. Wasted a lot of mats on it too. Oh well.
  
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Re: U25 Shuriken
Reply #205 - Oct 9th, 2015 at 11:54pm
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fr8o wrote on Oct 8th, 2015 at 4:54pm:
I wish I could do a pure monk, but I just can not stand how 10k works really preferring to just run a nice high doubleshot arty/something.


Did you see they are (planning on) finally axing the DS penalty?
  

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Re: U25 Shuriken
Reply #206 - Oct 9th, 2015 at 11:56pm
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harharharhar wrote on Oct 8th, 2015 at 7:44pm:
I've tested it like 30 times. I'll test again when I get home. It doesnt roll a crit confirm under a 17 for my thrower in LD, shadowstar does. Wasted a lot of mats on it too. Oh well.


Well shit. So is it a different Keen or does it only work on Shadow Star? Will have to test a coffin nail sometime.
  

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Re: U25 Shuriken
Reply #207 - Oct 11th, 2015 at 3:11pm
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5 Foot Step wrote on Oct 9th, 2015 at 11:54pm:
Did you see they are (planning on) finally axing the DS penalty?

No, that could make all the difference.
  
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Re: U25 Shuriken
Reply #208 - Oct 13th, 2015 at 11:06pm
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5 Foot Step wrote on Oct 9th, 2015 at 11:54pm:
Did you see they are (planning on) finally axing the DS penalty?


Yeah have to reroll my characters for 6 Monk now sigh

BTW, I was testing shadowstar tonight and decided to test Sting of the Ninja.

Here's a screenshot, with 20 full stacks it was only doing 90-110 damage on a crit. So with bugged crit in DC you would be doing 100*.75=75 damage per hit on a pure Monk, or in my case 60 damage a hit in DC (7-20).

Unfortunately you can't afford that and KtA if you're halfing.

With upcoming changes, if they stick to them, it's going to be all about:

Human/Helf/PDK 12 Ranger 6 Monk 2 Fighter. Dual boost, KtA, Tier 5 DWS, 26 AP in Ninja Spy for Poison (or 28 for all 4 SA dice for 7 total with 3 from DWS).

You could swap 2 Fighter for Pal, but I like the feats and the extra ABs in Kensei for dual boosting.

That will be the best of all thrower worlds I think. And I'd probably run it in Earth Stance, since Doubleshot will be so high the 4 Dex isn't worth 10% of physical damage from the extra crit Mod, except maybe on high fort stuff. Once they fix the threat stacking on Shadowstar, probably crit range will go back to 17-20 in LD, and then the poison is only around 20dmg a throw, and going deeper racial tree or Harper (or even AA at that point) might make more sense.

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Re: U25 Shuriken
Reply #209 - Oct 14th, 2015 at 12:09am
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Ooh, wait, better might be halfing 14monk 6 ranger. That gives 70% ds during 10k, vs 30% with 6 monk.

Since action boosts are supposed to get neefed to rp anyway, i suppose the dual boost will be a bit less interesting (human would be 20rp).

Youre 30% ds behind a 20monk during 10k, but youre 20% static fulltime ahead with t5 dws (among other perks). Also, you have killer where applicable, and and more SA dice (potentially) which should make up for the -1 crit threat.
  
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Re: U25 Shuriken
Reply #210 - Oct 14th, 2015 at 10:24pm
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harharharhar wrote on Oct 13th, 2015 at 11:06pm:
BTW, I was testing shadowstar tonight and decided to test Sting of the Ninja.

Here's a screenshot, with 20 full stacks it was only doing 90-110 damage on a crit. So with bugged crit in DC you would be doing 100*.75=75 damage per hit on a pure Monk, or in my case 60 damage a hit in DC (7-20).


20d4 with 100% vulnerability averages to 100. So 90-110 sounds about right (and is what I usually see.) Critting on a 5 is an 80% crit rate though, not 75. So it's 80 vs 70.

In any case, I'm not doing any build planning until this balance shitstorm settles down.
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Reply #211 - Oct 27th, 2015 at 12:55pm
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how are you building ki for 10k when shuriken doesn't give ki ? what am i missing here ?
  
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Reply #212 - Oct 27th, 2015 at 2:58pm
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spambot3000 wrote on Oct 27th, 2015 at 12:55pm:
how are you building ki for 10k when shuriken doesn't give ki ? what am i missing here ?


You can get passive ki regen, this means you generate ki (+1 to +3) over time, every 6 or 10 seconds or so.

And ofcourse you can just switch to melee weapons, hit a few seconds and, tada - ki
  
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Reply #213 - Oct 27th, 2015 at 5:03pm
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MisterHank wrote on Oct 27th, 2015 at 2:58pm:
You can get passive ki regen, this means you generate ki (+1 to +3) over time, every 6 or 10 seconds or so.

And ofcourse you can just switch to melee weapons, hit a few seconds and, tada - ki


welll first of all,,,, turbine....  Roll Eyes makes ninja spy shuriken a centered weapon but doesn't allow ki gen....  Shocked
passive is purty slooooow
and i just figured if im building a ranged kiter then im not going to be meleeing.....
anywho... thanks
  
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Re: U25 Shuriken
Reply #214 - Oct 27th, 2015 at 5:08pm
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Twist Enlightenment ki regen from GMoF destiny, or put points into Contemplation in Henshin, or switch to Water stance whilst running between packs of mobs, or sneak occasionally and put points in Ninja Spy's Stealthy, or melee, or mix and match the above according to need/circumstance.


Edit: looked up Enlightenment and added its name.
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Reply #215 - Oct 27th, 2015 at 5:18pm
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yes, roger all that, good reminders, thank you

just thought maybe there was something i was missing Cheesy
  
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Reply #216 - Oct 27th, 2015 at 5:27pm
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Ohhh sorry thought you were asking asking. Carry on. Smiley
  
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Reply #217 - Oct 29th, 2015 at 1:15am
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spambot3000 wrote on Oct 27th, 2015 at 5:18pm:
yes, roger all that, good reminders, thank you

just thought maybe there was something i was missing Cheesy


2 passive regen is 20 ki/minute which breaks even on the 20 ki/minute cost of 10k. You start each quest with ki equal to your concentration modifier. 60 is easily attainable by level 20, should be around 80 at cap. So you can abundant step or whatever 4-6 times before you'll need to make up the difference in water stance, ninja stealth, meditation, melee, or downtime.
  

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Re: U25 Shuriken
Reply #218 - Oct 29th, 2015 at 1:32am
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5 Foot Step wrote on Oct 14th, 2015 at 10:24pm:
In any case, I'm not doing any build planning until this balance shitstorm settles down.


Oddly, he was "right" about the 14/6 monk/ranger being more dps than a pure 20. Downside is needing to micro-manage timers of skills properly as well as swapping between stars and bows.
  
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Reply #219 - Oct 29th, 2015 at 9:43am
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kum-gulp wrote on Oct 27th, 2015 at 5:27pm:
Ohhh sorry thought you were asking asking. Carry on. Smiley


i was and wasn't  Wink

i thought maybe there was a way to build ki with a shuriken i didn't know about

but still good reminders, appreciate it
  
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Reply #220 - Oct 29th, 2015 at 2:46pm
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Vendui wrote on Oct 29th, 2015 at 1:32am:
Oddly, he was "right" about the 14/6 monk/ranger being more dps than a pure 20. Downside is needing to micro-manage timers of skills properly as well as swapping between stars and bows.


It's such a massive difference that you would have to be a complete dunce-cap to not be able to switch between abilities enough to make it matter.

The changes to 10k hit Pure Monk really hard because of their low double-shot, and the nerf to crit threat and fixing of keen bugs just crushed them even more. Allowing for Crit threat in DWS to not require halfing and therefore get Doubleboost was the icing on the cake (though halfing still remains a very solid choice for SA heavy builds).

Where pure monk was closer to even on DPS before the latest changes, though still a little bit behind, it is now so far behind the only reason to keep them is flavor or stubbornness.

I know everyone hates me for being right, or already hates me and hates me more now, I don't make the rules I just try to min/max them.
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Reply #221 - Oct 29th, 2015 at 3:00pm
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Vendui wrote on Oct 29th, 2015 at 1:32am:
Oddly, he was "right" about the 14/6 monk/ranger being more dps than a pure 20. Downside is needing to micro-manage timers of skills properly as well as swapping between stars and bows.

Yea whatever i'll stick to my halfling 15/5. Screw switching weapons, i wanna play as lazy ass possible.
  

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Reply #222 - Oct 29th, 2015 at 8:35pm
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harharharhar wrote on Oct 29th, 2015 at 2:46pm:
It's such a massive difference that you would have to be a complete dunce-cap to not be able to switch between abilities enough to make it matter.

The changes to 10k hit Pure Monk really hard because of their low double-shot, and the nerf to crit threat and fixing of keen bugs just crushed them even more. Allowing for Crit threat in DWS to not require halfing and therefore get Doubleboost was the icing on the cake (though halfing still remains a very solid choice for SA heavy builds).

Where pure monk was closer to even on DPS before the latest changes, though still a little bit behind, it is now so far behind the only reason to keep them is flavor or stubbornness.

I know everyone hates me for being right, or already hates me and hates me more now, I don't make the rules I just try to min/max them.


Just couldnt leave it be could yah. Had to go and spout more shit to try an make yourself look better. Ill be sure to never mention you were right about something again.

As far as monk lacking right now, ofc they are.. they dint get their class-pass yet.. and now never will. WAY too much whining over fixing IC, now turbine dont wanna touch nothing again. (though they still will, behind the scenes)
  
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Reply #223 - Oct 29th, 2015 at 11:03pm
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Vendui wrote on Oct 29th, 2015 at 8:35pm:
Just couldnt leave it be could yah. Had to go and spout more shit to try an make yourself look better. Ill be sure to never mention you were right about something again.

As far as monk lacking right now, ofc they are.. they dint get their class-pass yet.. and now never will. WAY too much whining over fixing IC, now turbine dont wanna touch nothing again. (though they still will, behind the scenes)


You think you can write the shit you do, like that I'm a dueche, or that it's odd that I would know what I was talking about, and I should just take it up the butt?

What did I ever do to you? Or 5 Foot for that matter? I've had his back on a bunch of non-build related shit on this forum. And you I don't even really know. But yeah, outside of Builds sub-forum, I don't really care what kind of an asshat anyone (myself included) acts like. But within Builds, I make an effort to try and mostly be constructive. I have been wrong and probably will be again, but most of the time I get it right.

This is the only part of Vault that is not complete garbage bullshit, and I'd like to try and keep it that way.
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Reply #224 - Oct 30th, 2015 at 12:18am
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Uh-oh, Sandyvag's vag is getting Sandy again! 

Seriously Sobsob? you are like in victim-state 24/7 man, do you have any idea what kind of whiny kid little you sound like these days? If you want respect, earn it, no one is entitled to it.

And BTW? this part of your post right here?

harharharhar wrote on Oct 29th, 2015 at 11:03pm:
Or 5 Foot for that matter? I've had his back on a bunch of non-build related shit on this forum.


Well it says so much man, so much.   Wink
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