If only there was something like a Tensors Transformation scroll.

Even if you don't keep it up all the time, it seems like the best option when you clearly want that extra boost.

Scrolling is so hard though. 

How about 12 wiz/3 monk/5 rogue, with extended tensors and T5 mech?  Of course, you will have to skip 10k stars, but you seem to imply that you can get enough doubleshot where it is worth it to skip it anyway. 

I'm not familiar with how to compare 10k stars compared to doubleshot.  Enlightenment would be appreciated ;x

AtomicMew wrote on Apr 20^th, 2015 at 10:52pm:


lol that is the Tinkerhell build.

It's what I'm running right now on live. Im working on the set bonus. 10K stars @40 Wisdom is I believe about 30-35% fulltime doubleshot equivalent. I run around perma 43% (10 Mech, 10 EpicDS, 9 PL, 14 Dev. Reaping).

5 Foot Step wrote on Apr 20^th, 2015 at 10:47pm:


Not really giving up anything in the OG tinkerhell build. In the Meteor Shower builds, yes. 12 Arty is fantastic for the thrower build with rune arm DPS, 3 Ranged feats, Haste Armor, and Tensers.

harharharhar wrote on Apr 20^th, 2015 at 11:25pm:


You said: "It does work actually, it's somewhere between 6.6-7.1% increase. But Tensers, for any non 24 BaB class mix is 11.3ish%. And Four Dex that's hard to get. So, I suppose at best a wash, at worse a slight disadvantage in Mech" ...completely ignoring that you can scroll tenser's and have both increases, because you don't like rebuffing 1 minute earlier.

5 Foot Step wrote on Apr 20^th, 2015 at 11:39pm:


I did not ignore it. I hate scrolling Tensers and I think it's a net DPS loss versus 2 minute casting or perma.

But yes, you can always scroll Tensers. Just dont tell me you have it up all the time because that's a filthy lie. The only people I ever see that I group with with Tensers up all the time are casters who self cast or people who take the T5 ability. No one scrolls it all the time, not even the best people I run with who I know have scrolls intend to always keep it up.

5 Foot Step wrote on Apr 20^th, 2015 at 11:56pm:


bro i dont give a fuck what you do.

scroll tensers until the cows come home. I've made it clear why i dont do it, and why I think others shouldnt do it either. But you know what the beauty of this game is? You can play however you like. I think you're full of shit. I'm as fast as anyone at scrolling and healing and clicky'ing and everything else. I'm an excellent player, been doing it for 7 years now. On my other characters that need to scroll tensers? Doesn't happen.

And by the way, fights that last 1 minute are all I do. If you kill fast enough and you're zerging, you are just constantly killing mobs. There is no downtime. EE ToEE is a perfect example. As a thrower in that quest, if I am doing anything other than a throw animation, I'm losing DPS and making it take longer. I even let my HP get really low before I cocoon just to save DPS.

W/E

Munkenmo wrote on Apr 21^st, 2015 at 12:38am:


Aye did the same in my shuri toss life.
Actually since ddo is so lets say dumb as game and they didnt say macroing is against rules you can actually make a macro for anything.
Boosts, frenzy refresh if barb, hypno crushing masshold if sorc/wizz, twitch combat while haste boosted or non boosted as 2 handed.
Tensors, random clickies.

Not wanting to do that always seemed silly and odd to me tbh.
Its like only reason i never liked harrs builds that cant do a simple thing like a simple macro that gives you so much more dps /:

I'm running a modified tinkerhell now with heavy armor with 100 PRR / 72 dex / 46% perm doubelstrike. Its a lot of fun, but seems to me like 12 levels of arti for 2.5 min tensers and bonus feats is too much.  Also 16 points in halfing for dex to damage seems like a waste.  It seems like human/pdk with damage boost on a separate timer and some healing amp for a couple points and the brutal throw feat would be the way to go now.  Then you go STR based since shadow dodge is nerfed now anyhow for 3 dex we'll never get back. That would let me get my 600 lbs ingredients bag out of the damn TR cache before level 9 . I'm thinking wiz/swash/fighter.

Something like this: 11 Wiz gets you tensers, rage, displace buff bot. Simultaneous haste / damage boost from human / kensei up to 4 min per shrine or swap haste for doubleshot boost in Swash tree.  Swash tree to tier 5 for all the ranged goodness.  Orb or empty offhand to swash.

Level 28 True Neutral Purple Dragon Knight Male
(4 Fighter / 11 Wizard / 5 Bard / 8 Epic)

Tomes Used
+5 Tome of Strength used at level 19
+5 Tome of Dexterity used at level 19
+5 Tome of Constitution used at level 19
+5 Tome of Intelligence used at level 19
+5 Tome of Wisdom used at level 19
+5 Tome of Charisma used at level 19

Level 1 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Brutal Throw
Feat: (Human Bonus) Point Blank Shot
Feat: (Selected) Precise Shot

Level 3 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Precision

Level 6 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Rapid Shot

Level 7 (Wizard)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Mental Toughness

Level 9 (Wizard)
Feat: (Selected) Quick Draw

Level 11 (Wizard)
Feat: (Wizard Bonnus) Extend Spell

Level 12 (Wizard)
Feat: (Selected) Completionist

Level 15 (Wizard)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Thrown Weapons

Level 16 (Wizard)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Maximize Spell

Level 18 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Dodge
Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell
 
Level 20 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Precise Shot

Level 21 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Overwhelming Critical

Level 24 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Great Strength

Level 26 (Epic)
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Holy Strike

Level 27 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Blinding Speed

Level 28 (Epic)
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Doubleshot

+2 crit range from swash tree.  Go throwing axe 1d6 instead of 1d2 base damage.  Headmans chop from LD for additional crit multiplier on 19-20. You're already losing an extra shuri chance by dumping ninja spy in this build already. 30% damage boost will certainly outpace 2d6 SA dice even in 20 seconds bursts.

harharharhar wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 5:21pm:

What do you think about a throwing Swashbuckler with 18+ levels of bard with Victory Song (warchanter level 18 core) for perma full BAB instead of Tenser?

Full bard goodness (Swashie tree up to Coupe de Grace, displacement, healing, high damage Inspire Courage, Reckless Chant for additional 6% Doubleshot).

I could imagine that with shuriken / shuriken expertise for more procs (DEX > CHA),
but also with Nightforge Spike for a crit profile of 11-20/x4 (fully CHA based with 1 swf feat and Smooth Flourishes).

harharharhar wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 7:05pm:


Throwing axes are supposed to be x4 in swash. Can't confirm myself, but if it's 15-20x3 it should be bug reported.