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12/6/2????
Apr 22nd, 2015 at 2:18pm
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Like I have said in a previous post - i have been out of the game a bit, but I recall a day when 12/6/2 fighter/ranger/monk or rogue build were strong.

I recently pulled up Ron's char creator and went through the enhancement sections using the halfling/tempest/kensai/stalwart lines and thought that this build and what enhancements you can derive from them could still make this type of a build a kickass build.

Of course this is only on paper and everyone seems to be geeking on alternative splash builds so it begs the question(s); do/does anyone still run these types of builds? or are they super gimped now.

Again, with (what is new to me) enhancement lines, they "appear" to have a lot going for them.

  
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Re: 12/6/2????
Reply #1 - Apr 22nd, 2015 at 4:37pm
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12/6/2 is still plenty nice. Not so much with same classes as the days of Cletus centered ESOS kensai.

Being centered is less attractive after heavy armor. Pajamas had a good run. Evasion didn't get shit on quite as hard but 2 monk/rogue is not the source of survival it was.

Kensai's T5 competence bonus got shit on by Swashbuckler's Level 3 core.

Ranger, AA slayer arrows are still what they are. T5 Tempest Dance of Death is fucking amazing, although maybe it always was and I just didn't know it. Probably just me late to the party.

One current 12/6/2 is Bard/Fighter/Rogue. http://www.ddovault.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1425138442

To splash or no right now? Pally, Bard, and Barb all got passes that left pure builds anywhere from viable to kickass.  Rogue not so much IMO. Pally and Bard play really well with multiple break points on splashes. IDK what you'd gain splashing with Barb that would make it more attractive than pure. Rage still doesn't play well with others and the best enhancements scale with Barb level.

Shiradi casters can go Fvs/Wiz/xxx. Fuck I did that like 4 lives ago I can't remember if it was 12/6/2 or 12/5/3. 11/6/3? IDK. Basically enough to get max number of MM and CM through things that will bump your Wiz caster level. Secure's thread on the motherboard has one. IDK what else you would start deep splashes on a caster for.
  
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Re: 12/6/2????
Reply #2 - Apr 22nd, 2015 at 4:46pm
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palmer01 wrote on Apr 22nd, 2015 at 2:18pm:
I recently pulled up Ron's char creator


I think Ron's character editor is great, but be advised that it's stagnated. 

The most recent version is only current as of update 23, and no longer works for in-game versions of Barbarian, Paladin, or Rogue enhancement lines.
  

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Re: 12/6/2????
Reply #3 - Apr 22nd, 2015 at 4:53pm
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Thank you Gibbon for the response.

I never ran centered with my splash monk anyway, i just wanted the evasion and feats from monk to help me with the build.

Looking and tinkering with the enhancement lines offered, IMO looks like you can really twink out damage and to-hit along with decent ac using the tempest/kensai/stalwart line and even some of the halfling line - since that is the route im headed toward in respec my old char.

Just curious if its something to avoid now, but from what you stated, it sounds like still a viable build.

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Reply #4 - Apr 22nd, 2015 at 4:54pm
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OldCoaly wrote on Apr 22nd, 2015 at 4:46pm:
The most recent version is only current as of update 23, and no longer works for in-game versions of Barbarian, Paladin, or Rogue enhancement lines.



noted, thank you.
  
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Reply #5 - Apr 22nd, 2015 at 4:58pm
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I have a question. Does the "Critical Accuracy" & Critical damage line from Tempest & Kensai stack with one another?
  
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Re: 12/6/2????
Reply #6 - Apr 22nd, 2015 at 4:59pm
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palmer01 wrote on Apr 22nd, 2015 at 2:18pm:
Like I have said in a previous post - i have been out of the game a bit, but I recall a day when 12/6/2 fighter/ranger/monk or rogue build were strong.

I recently pulled up Ron's char creator and went through the enhancement sections using the halfling/tempest/kensai/stalwart lines and thought that this build and what enhancements you can derive from them could still make this type of a build a kickass build.

Of course this is only on paper and everyone seems to be geeking on alternative splash builds so it begs the question(s); do/does anyone still run these types of builds? or are they super gimped now.

Again, with (what is new to me) enhancement lines, they "appear" to have a lot going for them.



Check out elisdee's character planner.  It's up to date. 

https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/455712-Character-Builder-Lite-%28in-de...
  
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Re: 12/6/2????
Reply #7 - Apr 22nd, 2015 at 5:36pm
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gibbon wrote on Apr 22nd, 2015 at 4:37pm:
Kensai's T5 competence bonus got shit on by Swashbuckler's Level 3 core.

This, and Kensi requires Weapon Group Specialization (Tier 3), Greater Weapon Focus with at least one weapon type of your Focus group. This requires Fighter level 8.
  

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