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Any decent bow builds that don't require 10k
Apr 24th, 2015 at 10:46am
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Per title, was wondering if just a regular ol longbow was viable with the ranged power now? 

Maybe a ranger/rogue mix?
  
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Re: Any decent bow builds that don't require 10k
Reply #1 - Apr 24th, 2015 at 1:15pm
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I'm playing an Int-based Sun Elf Pally 14/Ranger 6 build right now.

6 AP in Sun Elf
13 AP in Arcane Archer
34 AP in Deepwood Stalker
14 AP in Harper Agent
13 AP in Sacred Defender

Divine Crusader is the Active Destiny

1063 HP in Sacred Defender Stance

19% Dodge

107 PRR/74 MRR

Uses Pinion as his main bow.


It's pretty cool.

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Reply #2 - Apr 24th, 2015 at 1:30pm
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What's your Ranged power at?
  
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Reply #3 - Apr 24th, 2015 at 1:36pm
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Hag Master wrote on Apr 24th, 2015 at 1:30pm:
What's your Ranged power at?

89 with Zeal of the Righteous up, 39 without.

I suppose I could get it a bit higher with Weapon Focus if I wanted.
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Reply #4 - Apr 24th, 2015 at 1:47pm
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Feats>Feat slots.... I know your pain.
  
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Reply #5 - Apr 24th, 2015 at 1:48pm
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Hag Master wrote on Apr 24th, 2015 at 1:47pm:
Feats>Feat slots.... I know your pain.

I had to use an Epic Feat slot to fit in Shot on the Run. Ugh.
  

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Reply #6 - Apr 24th, 2015 at 2:44pm
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Did you know that if you grab ranged focus, and throwing focus you will get 4 ranged power when you grab that bow, and still have a couple extra feats available?
  
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Reply #7 - Apr 24th, 2015 at 2:54pm
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Hag Master wrote on Apr 24th, 2015 at 2:44pm:
Did you know that if you grab ranged focus, and throwing focus you will get 4 ranged power when you grab that bow, and still have a couple extra feats available?

I like having Dodge and Mobility though.
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Reply #8 - Apr 24th, 2015 at 3:06pm
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Arkat wrote on Apr 24th, 2015 at 2:54pm:
I like have Dodge and Mobility though.


I understand that for sure, I guess I had thought this was the "turret" thing you were going to try.

Sucks to have to give up epic feats tho, makes me crazy cranky.

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Reply #9 - Apr 24th, 2015 at 3:32pm
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Hag Master wrote on Apr 24th, 2015 at 3:06pm:
I understand that for sure, I guess I had thought this was the "turret" thing you were going to try.

Sucks to have to give up epic feats tho, makes me crazy cranky.

Down side of elf, some day human will rule all of DDO land.

To be truthful, it is my Turret build. I just like having a decent dodge while I stand there and fire away.

I traded Bulwark of Defense in for Shot on the Run when I saw it gave +3 Ranged Power. Even though Bulwark of Defense fits better thematically with the "turret" idea, the extra 4 to AC and +2 to saves didn't really seem to make that much difference. I can still change it back at any time though.
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Reply #10 - Apr 24th, 2015 at 3:58pm
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Oh hell yeah I would trade Bulwark, I had thought you meant combat archery or God-crit, Bulwark is a easy trade.

Although I do see your point about flavor.
  
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Reply #11 - Apr 24th, 2015 at 5:18pm
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Here's a breakdown of total Damage Multiplier (that is, the amount of extra missiles over 1 initial arrow a 2 minute period) in several scenarios including Manyshot w/o 10K (@50% Doubleshot)l, and Manyshot with 10k, at various Wisdom values.



*%/Total means percent of total time out of 120 seconds (2 minutes, which is the cooldown of Manyshot).
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Reply #12 - Apr 24th, 2015 at 5:23pm
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So the question you need to answer re: viability is:

Does Manyshot with 50% DS@1.684x + whatever perks are unique to the build w/o 10K outperform the Manyshot+10k damage multiplier @whatever Wisdom you can achieve (probably using 2.049x as a good control) and it's unique build perks. Since you can get Holy Sword and 10K/Manyshot going 14Pal/6Monk, chances are that's going to be the highest DPS Bow build.

Sorry.
  
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Reply #13 - Apr 24th, 2015 at 5:28pm
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Harharhar,

I think everyone here acknowledges how awesome Monkchers (Wis+10K Stars+Manyshot) are right now.

I made my "Turret" build based on the assumption (and other hints given out by some who will remain nameless) that Turbine is going to fuck Monkchers over - either by putting 10K Stars on the same timer as Manyshot or making 10K Stars not work with bows at all.

I didn't feel like putting a lot of time and effort into making the perfect Monkcher only to have Turbine destroy it in an update or two.
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Arkat wrote on Apr 24th, 2015 at 5:28pm:
Harharhar,

I think everyone here acknowledges how awesome Monkchers (Wis+10K Stars+Manyshot) are right now.

I made my "Turret" build based on the assumption (and other hints given out by some who will remain nameless) that Turbine is going to fuck Monkchers over - either by putting 10K Stars on the same timer as Manyshot or making 10K Stars not work with bows at all.

I didn't feel like putting a lot of time and effort into making the perfect Monkcher only to have Turbine destroy it in an update or two.


Cool story. I'll just be over here doing math before and after any proposed changes. If they do change it, I will redo the math to look at 10k vs Manyshot if they become mutually exclusive somehow 
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Reply #15 - Apr 24th, 2015 at 5:30pm
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harharharhar wrote on Apr 24th, 2015 at 5:29pm:
Cool story. I'll just be over here doing math.

You know as well as I do that math never solved anything.  Tongue
  

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Reply #16 - Apr 24th, 2015 at 5:31pm
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We have no choice people we will all eventually become paladins.
  
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harharharhar wrote on Apr 24th, 2015 at 5:29pm:
Cool story. I'll just be over here doing math before and after any proposed changes. If they do change it, I will redo the math to look at 10k vs Manyshot if they become mutually exclusive somehow 


See here is the problem you have some good ideas man but fucking god forbid anyone ever point out flaws, and turn risk turning you back into a whiny little wombat.

Seriously Harhar, just put you content out there and let is speak for itself, the way you act about it now make you look insecure and defensive. And hey that whole two mins solid is FASCINATING, and as soon as I find a way to shoot constantly for two minutes with no changes I will be so happy,  in the meantime those of us who actually play the game and test LIVE, will have to just muddle along.  Hey don't feel bad at least when it comes to the boss fights we can stand for 2 mins and fire, partially supporting your claims... until we get hit, or have to heal, or do any thing else.

This is what happens the moment any Vaulty thinks they are a acclaimed "build master" for fuck sake it's become a cliche.
  
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Reply #18 - Apr 24th, 2015 at 5:40pm
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I love that they're going to rebalance them after all this time. Makes them look smart to do it after two or three years, huh.
  
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Reply #19 - Apr 24th, 2015 at 5:41pm
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Hag Master wrote on Apr 24th, 2015 at 5:38pm:
See here is the problem you have some good ideas man but fucking god forbid anyone ever point out flaws, and turn risk turning you back into a whiny little wombat.

Seriously Harhar, just put you content out there and let is speak for itself, the way you act about it now make you look insecure and defensive. And hey that whole two mins solid is FASCINATING, and as soon as I find a way to shoot constantly for two minutes with no changes I will be so happy,  in the meantime those of us who actually play the game and test LIVE, will have to just muddle along.  Hey don't feel bad at least when it comes to the boss fights we can stand for 2 mins and fire, partially supporting your claims... until we get hit, or have to heal, or do any thing else.

This is what happens the moment any Vaulty thinks they are a acclaimed "build master" for fuck sake it's become a cliche.


You need a Xanex. Arkat didn't point out a flaw, my math is flawless as the game works today. Arkat just mentioned that functionality *might* change. I acknowledged that. But it hasn't yet, and it hasn't been announced. So right now, on Live, the math I graciously did and shared with everyone is accurate.

Two minutes is the logical time frame for evaluating Manyshot since you know, that's how long it's cooldown is. It's the least common denominator.

I don't know what your weird sour grapes are, but fucking spit them out bro.
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Reply #20 - Apr 24th, 2015 at 5:43pm
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Munk: " slayer slayer slayer slayer slayer slayer slayer slayer slayer slayer slayer slayer slayer slayer slayer slayer slayer slayer slayer slayer "

Harhar: "monk monk monk monk monk monk monk monk monk monk monk monk monk monk monk monk monk monk monk monk"

5 step: "me too! me too! me too! me too! me too! me too! me too! me too! me too! me too! me too! me too! me too! me too! me too! me too!"

Bloody master builders.... more like master ego builders.

Seriously guys sometimes you are more trouble than your ideas are worth.
  
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Reply #21 - Apr 24th, 2015 at 5:44pm
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harharharhar wrote on Apr 24th, 2015 at 5:41pm:
You need a Xanex. Arkat didn't point out a flaw, my math is flawless as the game works today. Arkat just mentioned that functionality *might* change. I acknowledged that. But it hasn't yet, and it hasn't been announced. So right now, on Live, the math I graciously did and shared with everyone is accurate.

I don't know what your weird sour grapes are, but fucking spit them out bro.



Hey I'm sorry I didn't make it clear for you. I was trying to say that you're a whiny little cunt who doesn't play actively anymore and only gets her rocks off living off the rep you built back when you actually had a clue of how the game worked live.

Better?
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Reply #22 - Apr 24th, 2015 at 5:45pm
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Hag Master wrote on Apr 24th, 2015 at 5:43pm:
Munk: " slayer slayer slayer slayer slayer slayer slayer slayer slayer slayer slayer slayer slayer slayer slayer slayer slayer slayer slayer slayer "

Harhar: "monk monk monk monk monk monk monk monk monk monk monk monk monk monk monk monk monk monk monk monk"

5 step: "me too! me too! me too! me too! me too! me too! me too! me too! me too! me too! me too! me too! me too! me too! me too! me too!"

Bloody master builders.... more like master ego builders.

Seriously guys sometimes you are more trouble than your ideas are worth.   



My last build I posted did not have Monk in it.

And why are you picking on Munkenmo he's not even in this thread.

Are you about to do a flame-out here? WTF is your problem?
  
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Reply #23 - Apr 24th, 2015 at 5:46pm
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Arkat wrote on Apr 24th, 2015 at 5:30pm:
You know as well as I do that math never solved anything.  Tongue


Solved? No, but maybe gave a decent idea of how to compare things.
  
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Hag Master wrote on Apr 24th, 2015 at 5:44pm:
Hey I'm sorry I didn't make it clear for you. I was trying to say that you're a whiny little cunt who doesn't play actively anymore and only gets her rocks off living off the rep you built back when you actually had a clue of how the game worked live.

Better?


I play actively. On Khyber. If you'd like an in-game demonstration anytime on why you're the whiny cunt and I'm smarter than you, I'd be happy to make that happen. 

I'm sorry no one likes you or your stupid builds, good thing this is just an internet forum and these people aren't your real friends.
  
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