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give me a build to farm servants optional pdk
May 24th, 2015 at 9:58pm
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If I were, and I am, going to make then delete and remake a pdk for the sole purpose of farming silver slinger  on heroic elite if possible, up to ransack solo, what would you suggest for a build and if a special piece of non btc equipment is needed, what would it be.


I was thinking a mix of barb/bard for the cc and high damage, but like to know your thoughts.
  
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Reply #1 - May 24th, 2015 at 10:34pm
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Pure bladeforged pally kicks ass right out of the box, even with starter gear.
  

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Can it CC that optional solo though?
Thats the only thing I want it for and those respawning mobs are a pita.
  
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Fail wrote on May 25th, 2015 at 12:40am:
Can it CC that optional solo though?
Thats the only thing I want it for and those respawning mobs are a pita.


Oh right.

1 fighter/14 bard should do fine. You'll need to swap in a swashable weapon and a perform item though.
  

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Reply #4 - May 25th, 2015 at 8:32am
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I had some problems with fascinate there, mobs seemed to wake up occasionally, and new kept spawning with old ones fascinated. maybe i had some silly aura on me or something
  
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Reply #5 - May 25th, 2015 at 2:45pm
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do it on a capped toon or get babysat by a friend who has one
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Reply #6 - May 25th, 2015 at 5:00pm
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Gland isnt newb friendly, but yeah, I went with a fighter 1/bard 14.

I was getting close but failing, which was a surprise and why I posted since even in heroic hard they have some pretty decent will saves evidently.

Didnt think about a swashable weapon or the perform + (my mistake and an obvious one) as Ive never played bard before.

Its actually kind of fun - may end up keeping one of these guys around after I find a slinger just to play around a bit more.

Love that disco!  ...now if I can just find a white leather outfit to compliment the dancing...lol.


  
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Reply #7 - May 25th, 2015 at 6:32pm
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Fail wrote on May 25th, 2015 at 5:00pm:
Love that disco!  ...now if I can just find a white leather outfit to compliment the dancing...lol.




Leather?  Don't you mean shiny polyester bro?
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Reply #8 - May 25th, 2015 at 6:53pm
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Leather?  Don't you mean shiny polyester bro?


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Starkjade wrote on May 25th, 2015 at 6:53pm:
Depends which type of club you're going to.


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Reply #10 - May 25th, 2015 at 7:13pm
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Fail wrote on May 25th, 2015 at 5:00pm:
I was getting close but failing, which was a surprise and why I posted since even in heroic hard they have some pretty decent will saves evidently.

Are you remembering to drop a (quickened to taste) Hypno or 3 to debuff their will saves?
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Reply #11 - May 25th, 2015 at 8:40pm
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I'd probably go shadarkai, 3rogue/12bard, Evasion might be useful for the odd time a mob breaks from fascinate and tries to hit you with a meteor.

3 rogue/12 bard will net you 11BAB at level 15 (qualifying you for greater SWF.

13bard/2rogue will have you at 10BAB (13*.75=9.75) 9 + (2*.75 = 1.5)  Only whole numbers are counted so 9+1 = 10.

1rogue>12bard>2rogue

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1: swf
3: quicken
6: eschew materials or precision (I'd go for eschew: saves time & plat & inventory space.)
9: i swf
12: i crit
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Reply #12 - May 25th, 2015 at 8:50pm
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Fail wrote on May 25th, 2015 at 5:00pm:
Gland isnt newb friendly, but yeah, I went with a fighter 1/bard 14.


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Reply #13 - May 27th, 2015 at 1:20am
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Munkenmo wrote on May 25th, 2015 at 8:40pm:
I'd probably go shadarkai, 3rogue/12bard, Evasion might be useful for the odd time a mob breaks from fascinate and tries to hit you with a meteor.

3 rogue/12 bard will net you 11BAB at level 15 (qualifying you for greater SWF.

13bard/2rogue will have you at 10BAB (13*.75=9.75) 9 + (2*.75 = 1.5)  Only whole numbers are counted so 9+1 = 10.

1rogue>12bard>2rogue

Feats:
1: swf
3: quicken
6: eschew materials or precision (I'd go for eschew: saves time & plat & inventory space.)
9: i swf
12: i crit
15: g swf



Your info is always solid and ty, but im trying to use a pdk, which is the only iconic i have in order to ransack then delete and redo until I finally get one of those damn slingers.
  
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Reply #14 - May 27th, 2015 at 7:51pm
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All you really need to pull that lever are:

Evasion, high saves, summon monster, a hire and maybe a pet. Dancing ball is nice as well. The renders love to spam some fire spell that has a save.

*edit* Took me 50 minutes from character creation to the chest.
I pick my skills and spells poorly. Make sure you take heal.
Feats were Quicken Extend Eschew. Enchantment focus and greater. TWF That +2 to reflex save feat, and Insightful reflexes. Maxed int and split the rest between con and dex.
I picked my spells poorly.
Loged in in Estar, left the beginning area, Logged out and back in in eberron, ran to the trainers in market, ran to quests. Used the starter gear.


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Reply #15 - May 27th, 2015 at 11:22pm
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Fail wrote on May 27th, 2015 at 1:20am:
Your info is always solid and ty, but im trying to use a pdk,


Actually, even better.
In that case:

1fighter> 1bard > 2rogue > 11 bard

Feats:
1: Shield Mastery
1(H): Precision
1(F) : swf
3: quicken
6: eschew materials
9: i swf
12: i crit
15: g swf
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Reply #16 - May 28th, 2015 at 12:16am
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Who Cares wrote on May 27th, 2015 at 7:51pm:
All you really need to pull that lever are:

Evasion, high saves, summon monster, a hire and maybe a pet. Dancing ball is nice as well. The renders love to spam some fire spell that has a save.

*edit* Took me 50 minutes from character creation to the chest.



You make me want to buy that iconic sir. Smiley
  
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Reply #17 - May 28th, 2015 at 1:02am
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Fail wrote on May 28th, 2015 at 12:16am:
You make me want to buy that iconic sir. Smiley


I got the three pack, no bladeforged, that came with some expansion I purchased. Do you have Harper?
  

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Reply #18 - May 28th, 2015 at 8:16am
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I do as I'm VIP, but I ended up pulling all pts from it to reach spell pen in enhancements t4.

I'm happy to say that after a 3 hour grind doing 4 runs, I got both bow and  xbow.

I really ended up with more trouble from the drow packs than the reavers, which surprised me.

The trick was to not just rely on my cc and larafay, but to add in a monster summons v (rock elemental) that could take a prolonged beat down with fire(as suggested).

This did bring up a question though.

In regards to breaking inate spell resistance in mobs like these drow (and I had a buffed perform of 55 at level 15, which I thought would've been op in hh here But ended being barely 50/50 reliable), what other than the 3 pts in T4 can You do to mitigate this as a bard?

I see estar war wizards have a couple items, but are There more Out there, possibly crafted or challenge items that help?

I don't play casters, so this part of the games mechanics are completely New.

Still love the speed of the swashbuckling attacks too. It reminds me of my wolf,.

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Reply #19 - May 28th, 2015 at 8:55am
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Fail wrote on May 28th, 2015 at 8:16am:
In regards to breaking inate spell resistance in mobs like these drow (and I had a buffed perform of 55 at level 15

you need moar perform, clearly.
  

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Reply #20 - May 28th, 2015 at 9:30am
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I don't know, something with 13 wiz levels, greater spell pen and greater enchant ?
Also why farm heroic crap. You will loot 57 of those etring.
  
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Reply #21 - May 28th, 2015 at 12:41pm
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Fail wrote on May 28th, 2015 at 8:16am:
but are There more Out there, possibly crafted or challenge items that help?


Elfcraft armor.  Trade in 10 Elven relics to the guy in Gianthold. Gives Spell Pen II.  It's basically a budget version of the Blue Dragonscale.  Other than that, Spell Pen feats.  Not a lot of choices for an heroic bard.

Drow have retarded high SR, and it's tough to break it on a first life character.  Your best bet is heightened Soundburst, since their fort saves are their weakness, then run past that first group.

Keep in mind, SR does not apply to your fascinate, it's a will save, and you're adding a d20 roll to your perform score for the DC, so it can vary greatly.

I assume you have a +15 skill item and maxed CHA, but a Persuasion item (easily crafted) adds +3 enhancement bonus to cha skills, which stacks with the skill item.  I'm guessing you don't have the mats/shards to make greensteel, but even a T1 will get you +2 exceptional Cha skills.


Fail wrote on May 28th, 2015 at 8:16am:
but to add in a monster summons v (rock elemental) that could take a prolonged beat down with fire(as suggested).


Try out the Bearded Devil.  He teleports, is immune to fire and poison, and has DR good/silver.  I think they curse on vorpal, too.

Let me say, this seems like a lot of work for what is essentially a niche item.  If you really want it, don't let me dissuade you, but breaking DR becomes less and less important as you get up into the higher levels, and a lootgen +6 XXXX/Imp. Disruption repeater will outshine even the epic version.
  

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Reply #22 - May 28th, 2015 at 9:41pm
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Spell Resistance applies to Bard songs?
  

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Reply #23 - May 28th, 2015 at 9:47pm
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Starkjade wrote on May 28th, 2015 at 12:41pm:
Keep in mind, SR does not apply to your fascinate, it's a will save, and you're adding a d20 roll to your perform score for the DC, so it can vary greatly.



I did not realise that.  I  assumed (wrongly it seems) that a heroic hard run wouldnt have dc's above 50 on anything; it seemed a high number and the fails confused me, and then I was told  (incorrectly it seems) that it was because they had a high sr to overcome.

Is there a reference for mob saves/sr/dr other than the wiki by chance (it seems to just show some dr's)?

It would still be nice to get some sr breaking gear for disco balls and such as I play him into later days.

I did get the item and it was more a thing I needed to do because my level 28 wolf in epic couldnt get past the respawns and it pissed me off, so I made a pdk character purely to farm heroic until i got it.

It was just something I needed to get done or it was going to keep bugging me, but I got it and it felt like I accomplished something, so theres that.

The bard was actually going to be a throw away character after this, but I found I like the playstyle a little and now im dead set on finding an armor that looks like a white disco suit to cosmetic for him.  It's a horrible cycle.

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Reply #24 - May 29th, 2015 at 1:01am
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Fail wrote on May 28th, 2015 at 9:47pm:
Is there a reference for mob saves/sr/dr other than the wiki by chance (it seems to just show some dr's)?


It's difficult to test saves for trash, since you never see their roll, and 1s and 20s on their save rolls can skew the already likely somewhat randomized numbers.

I think SR for drow is equal to CR.  It may have a modifier based on quest difficulty, but I doubt it.  Other mobs seems to have a more or less static SR.

DR you can get from your combat log: "You hit Steve the zombie for 100 points of damage after 15 were blocked by slashing damage reduction." (something like that, anyway)

Fail wrote on May 28th, 2015 at 9:47pm:
It was just something I needed to get done or it was going to keep bugging me, but I got it and it felt like I accomplished something, so theres that.


I understand, and congrats!

Fail wrote on May 28th, 2015 at 9:47pm:
now im dead set on finding an armor that looks like a white disco suit to cosmetic for him


White Dragonhide (the light version of dragonscale) might "suit" your needs.  It has big pauldrons, but you can just pretend you're a club kid or something.  If it's not what you're looking for, keep trying on lootgen outfits and robes, there are a lot of different skins that have the same icon.  Just remember, nothing is going to look terribly sleek on a dumpy PDK avatar.  Cheesy
  

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