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Jun 25th, 2015 at 4:41pm
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Hey guys, I'm thinking(building) a warlock off of the base of another build from the past the 12FVS/6wiz/2mnk the person I saw using it was DDOsith so wanted to give credit for the base idea. This is a shiradi caster that used the blast rather then MM so DC doesn't matter and spell points aren't a huge focus.

I'm thinking 12 Warlock, 5 wizard, 3 fighter.

Archmage for the extra crit so Tier 5 with that.
Tainted Scholar - just enough for chain and as much extra d4's as I can fit.
Figher for Defender line and Harmor.

I haven't done all the math, but I want to be able to crit a lot, and do good damage. I can see that full warlock will crit higher, but I want to crit more while still doing a good amount of dmg. So any constructive thoughts or pitfalls I need to avoid?

I went Drow for the ASF reduction and plan (for now) on using the ASF tower shield, I just can't think of the name off hand.
  
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Reply #1 - Jun 25th, 2015 at 7:38pm
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Crotch Goblins wrote on Jun 25th, 2015 at 4:41pm:
Hey guys, I'm thinking(building) a warlock off of the base of another build from the past the 12FVS/6wiz/2mnk the person I saw using it was DDOsith so wanted to give credit for the base idea. This is a shiradi caster that used the blast rather then MM so DC doesn't matter and spell points aren't a huge focus.

I'm thinking 12 Warlock, 5 wizard, 3 fighter.

Archmage for the extra crit so Tier 5 with that.
Tainted Scholar - just enough for chain and as much extra d4's as I can fit.
Figher for Defender line and Harmor.

I haven't done all the math, but I want to be able to crit a lot, and do good damage. I can see that full warlock will crit higher, but I want to crit more while still doing a good amount of dmg. So any constructive thoughts or pitfalls I need to avoid?

I went Drow for the ASF reduction and plan (for now) on using the ASF tower shield, I just can't think of the name off hand.


I fukn dont know, why dont you do 3 palie instead?
Id go with 6 wiz 2 palie and suggested that to people due to maxing out mm with 3 abi set that way tho.
Also bf solves many problems on that build.
Tho if you want to skip on recon sla, can grab repairs from wiz and get arcane supremacy that way.
OR drop supremacy, ap are tight because you want scholars 12 core and souleaters vulnerability upgrade, after that when you try to spend for supremacy you cant really waste any points in racial.

Dont even let me started on wasted ap on stalwart stance
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If you're going to be using primarily blast, you're losing way too much base damage for the splash to be useful.  You'll get much more DPS with a pure warlock.
  
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Reply #3 - Jun 25th, 2015 at 10:52pm
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AtomicMew wrote on Jun 25th, 2015 at 8:02pm:
You'll get much more DPS with a pure warlock. 

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Lelouch wrote on Jun 25th, 2015 at 7:38pm:
I fukn dont know, why dont you do 3 palie instead?
Id go with 6 wiz 2 palie and suggested that to people due to maxing out mm with 3 abi set that way tho.
Also bf solves many problems on that build.
Tho if you want to skip on recon sla, can grab repairs from wiz and get arcane supremacy that way.
OR drop supremacy, ap are tight because you want scholars 12 core and souleaters vulnerability upgrade, after that when you try to spend for supremacy you cant really waste any points in racial.

Dont even let me started on wasted ap on stalwart stance


I didn't do the pally because I leaped before I looked.
  
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AtomicMew wrote on Jun 25th, 2015 at 8:02pm:
If you're going to be using primarily blast, you're losing way too much base damage for the splash to be useful.  You'll get much more DPS with a pure warlock. 


Umm base damage isn't the real point of this build, it's just the shiradi procs with the extended crit range. I'll tell testing it out and when I start seeing some Youtube videos I'm sure I'll see what the bench mark is for what they are doing. I Tred on the first day and didn't want to go pure right away.
  
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Reply #6 - Jun 26th, 2015 at 3:38pm
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Crotch Goblins wrote on Jun 26th, 2015 at 12:55am:
Umm base damage isn't the real point of this build, it's just the shiradi procs with the extended crit range.


Actually, the point of the build is DPS.  Shiradi doens't magically make base damage irrelevant.  Shiradi procs are equivalent to only about 25 base damage, which is a fraction of eldritch blast damage.
  
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AtomicMew wrote on Jun 26th, 2015 at 3:38pm:
Actually, the point of the build is DPS.  Shiradi doens't magically make base damage irrelevant.  Shiradi procs are equivalent to only about 25 base damage, which is a fraction of eldritch blast damage. 


From what I'm seeing, this.  The base damage and crits from the blast itself are way more than the shirardi procs.  This isn't just an MM spamming shiradi where the MM is just a method to get the procs.

I'm thinking pure or 18 warlock if you do a split.  I'm having a hard time finding much that makes a difference though on those 2 levels.  Mostly some interesting flavor.  If you want to do the aura method and be a little more tanky, for example.
  
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Reply #8 - Jun 27th, 2015 at 10:44am
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Do the Shiradi effects proc on each "split" of the EB when using Chain Shape?

If so, that could trigger as many Shiradi procs as MM. Maybe more.


Asheras wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 9:38am:
I'm thinking pure or 18 warlock if you do a split.  I'm having a hard time finding much that makes a difference though on those 2 levels.  Mostly some interesting flavor.  If you want to do the aura method and be a little more tanky, for example.   

The ES capstone is justification to stay Pure and so is the TS capstone. The Soul Eater capstone isn't impressing me though.
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Asheras wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 9:38am:
From what I'm seeing, this.  The base damage and crits from the blast itself are way more than the shirardi procs.  This isn't just an MM spamming shiradi where the MM is just a method to get the procs.

I'm thinking pure or 18 warlock if you do a split.  I'm having a hard time finding much that makes a difference though on those 2 levels.  Mostly some interesting flavor.  If you want to do the aura method and be a little more tanky, for example.   

not sure how it would work out in the end. I believe that shiradi mm spammer is superior dps. perhaps the right build of warlock could complete break ranks in 7 minutes and 20 seconds (the current fastest times set by a sorc shiradi, and a fvs shiradi).
  

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Rubbinns wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 10:57am:
not sure how it would work out in the end. I believe that shiradi mm spammer is superior dps. perhaps the right build of warlock could complete break ranks in 7 minutes and 20 seconds (the current fastest times set by a sorc shiradi, and a fvs shiradi).

I bet it could eventually.  Warlock shiradi is higher DPS by my calc, and you can get faster run speed through consume.  If you want to give me a run time without joy of the queen, I'll give it a go when I cap, but I don't really have interest in fishing for joy.
  
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Asheras wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 9:38am:
From what I'm seeing, this.  The base damage and crits from the blast itself are way more than the shirardi procs.  This isn't just an MM spamming shiradi where the MM is just a method to get the procs.

I'm thinking pure or 18 warlock if you do a split.  I'm having a hard time finding much that makes a difference though on those 2 levels.  Mostly some interesting flavor.  If you want to do the aura method and be a little more tanky, for example.   

Someone on the mb said that crit damage from TS is additive, so with the capstone it's +60% crit damage, which seems way too good.  Haven't gotten around to testing it though.

I think 18/1 FvS/1 barb would be a pretty decent split though.
  
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AtomicMew wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 12:54pm:
Someone on the mb said that crit damage from TS is additive, so with the capstone it's +60% crit damage, which seems way too good.  Haven't gotten around to testing it though.

I think 18/1 FvS/1 barb would be a pretty decent split though. 


The healing/damage mitigation is the thing I'm working on ATM.  The DPS is seriously top shelf.
  
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AtomicMew wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 12:51pm:
I bet it could eventually.  Warlock shiradi is higher DPS by my calc, and you can get faster run speed through consume.  If you want to give me a run time without joy of the queen, I'll give it a go when I cap, but I don't really have interest in fishing for joy. 

Both of the videos did not get joy buff. I believe they received the 100 hp buff with pleasure of the queen and not joy. around 2minutes in on both videos. Could be joy with 10 to all stats(con). Too lazy to make sure.

record time 7:16 set by golednlich using 9 sorc 7 wiz 4 fvs and 11 mem pots.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=servsRGmrrc

second place time 7:25 set by yeela using 13 fvs 5 wiz 2 monk and 5 mem pots.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiA_5vurQ1c

AtomicMew wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 12:54pm:
Someone on the mb said that crit damage from TS is additive, so with the capstone it's +60% crit damage, which seems way too good.  Haven't gotten around to testing it though.

I hadn't tested if the math is true, but display reads 60. Level 12 displays 30.
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Reply #14 - Jun 27th, 2015 at 10:29pm
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Thanks, guys. I'm still going to so this the 12/5/3 on the guy I'm working on. I will probably make a pure though. I don't like turbine math and until I try it and see it for myself on this build I'm not going to believe it. I have seen a lot of locks lately and they just get aggro and die.. yeah dps probably ok, but when your dead your dps average dips in the shitter.

- And to elaborate I mean that this build isn't bad, not what you dudes are saying about straight lock being good Smiley
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AtomicMew wrote on Jun 25th, 2015 at 8:02pm:
You'll get much more DPS with a pure warlock.


Arkat wrote on Jun 25th, 2015 at 10:52pm:
I'm glad someone has figured this out besides me.


I have run EE quests together with a pure PDK TWF Warlock all night yesterday. People came and go while the group was breezing through endgame EEs and the Warlock out-DPSed (Level 25) them all. Paladins, Barbs, Bards and my glasscannon style Mechanic. He was running in Draconic with two swords and his weapon DPS was on par with the better puggers. But on top of that he had hughe magical damage form Burst, Vortex and other stuff. It didn't look balanced or WAI at all, let's wait for the youtube videos and the outrage on the forums.
  

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I have run EE quests together with a pure PDK TWF Warlock all night yesterday. People came and go while the group was breezing through endgame EEs and the Warlock out-DPSed (Level 25) them all. Paladins, Barbs, Bards and my glasscannon style Mechanic. He was running in Draconic with two swords and his weapon DPS was on par with the better puggers. But on top of that he had hughe magical damage form Burst, Vortex and other stuff. It didn't look balanced or WAI at all, let's wait for the youtube videos and the outrage on the forums.

Any details of his build?
  

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Arkat wrote on Jun 28th, 2015 at 9:58am:
Any details of his build?

just guessing, it's cha based, points in tainted and spirit for aura. either fiend or great old one pact for draconic synergy. I would say fiend for consecrated ground fire ticks. possibly using cannith flame cloak for fire lore at level 25. secondary stat in int for kta and spellcraft.
  

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Arkat wrote on Jun 28th, 2015 at 9:58am:
Any details of his build?


Ditto.

Sounds tasty since they pulled the "magic" on my magic-mechanic, I need some new OP toon with which to troll my server.
  
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just guessing, it's cha based, points in tainted and spirit for aura. either fiend or great old one pact for draconic synergy. I would say fiend for consecrated ground fire ticks. possibly using cannith flame cloak for fire lore at level 25. secondary stat in int for kta and spellcraft.

Was it a pure Warlock?

It sounds like fire was his element of choice. I wonder what he's going to do when Epic Shavarath comes out?
  

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Arkat wrote on Jun 28th, 2015 at 10:57am:
Was it a pure Warlock?

his post said pure pdk, i assume it was pure warlock then. idk about shav. guess he can epic tr for acid and great old one.
  

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interestingly enough, the light dmg from enlightened does not work with monk handwraps.
  

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Rubbinns wrote on Jun 28th, 2015 at 10:08am:
just guessing, it's cha based, points in tainted and spirit for aura. either fiend or great old one pact for draconic synergy. I would say fiend for consecrated ground fire ticks. possibly using cannith flame cloak for fire lore at level 25. secondary stat in int for kta and spellcraft.


Jup, that's seems right. Had consecrated ground twisted, points in tainted (passed GH) and used the aura. Used fire wall while hitting on mobs, so I guess maxxed spellpower fire.
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Epoch wrote on Jun 28th, 2015 at 10:38pm:
interestingly enough, the light dmg from enlightened does not work with monk handwraps.

Something not working on/with/around handwraps...gee that sounds familiar.
  
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Ginger_Walri wrote on Jun 29th, 2015 at 7:32am:
Something not working on/with/around handwraps...gee that sounds familiar.


Psh, it must be an oversight. Turbine works tirelessly with monk coding to make sure things work with it.
  

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