Does T5 enhancement "Zealous Faith" in Angel add extra missiles to CM?
or T4 enhancement "Intense Faith" is the only enh that affects them?

Also, definitely try to fit "Arcane Augmentation" in your gear setup somewhere.
I've used twilight in the past for the extra missiles, but that's before TF and stuff.

These new gloves from the upcoming raid "Defiler of the Just" is definitely worth adding to your gear setup:
http://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Gauntlets_of_the_Arcane_Soldier

Alex DeLarge wrote on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 11:33pm:

Dont think so. That acts as a heighten IIRC.

Alex DeLarge wrote on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 11:33pm:

Far as I know, yes.

Alex DeLarge wrote on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 11:37pm:

That is why i posted this. Gear tetris is so ass.

Drop the health ring, pick up lantern. Slot a +8 augment somewhere.  You could also potentially drop canoneers too.  Just reserve max/emp for situtations where you need it.

Rubbinns wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 6:50am:

Those chronos for naught...I hate your face.

Rubbinns wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 6:50am:

Chain missile maxes out at clvl 19 for 11 total missiles (10 extra + 1 primary) IIRC.  With no abishai, you have clvl 6+3 fvs + 2 gloves = 11 (7 missiles).  With abishai, you have clvl 14 for 8 missiles. So that's roughly a 14% increase in dmg to chain missiles. 

I dunno, I think that's worth it.  And you can save 2 AP by skipping out on intense faith 3 since you only need clvl 13.

AtomicMew wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 3:52pm:

Shouldn't energy burst is based of character level not caster level.

Don't forget

In a rotation of SLA CM/SLA MM/CM/MM,

You get 10 mMissles, and 14-22 cMissiles

The difference in having max Caster Level, if I understand the mechanics correctly,

CL11: 10mm+14cm = 24 missile/rotation
CL13: 10mm+16cm = 26 missiles/rotation
CL15: 10mm+18cm = 28 missile/rotation
CL17: 10mm+20cm = 30 missile/rotation
CL19: 10mm+22cm = 32 missile/rotation

The results more realistically per 2 (odd) caster levels for a full rotation of the spells is:

TotMiss  %DamInc

CL11    24     0%

CL13    26     8%

CL15    28    17%

CL17    30    25%

CL19    32    33%

I'm not saying this criticize lower CL Shiradi builds that multiclass for things like free SP from FvS or in your case for Blade Barrier. And casting Blade-barrier changes the calculus on your spell rotation obviously. Since you end up doing lots of damage from BB and in all build cases from EB every 30 seconds, that lowers the overall damage trade-off from losing chain missiles due to CL. Also, you can potentially get more procs of BB on a mob if you move well and depending on the speed of the mob, and over a 10 second spell rotation with a BB down you could pretty easily average 2 BB procs due to movement. Additionally, outside of Shiradi procs, BB tics tend to do more damage than a Chain Missile.

And of course, with a 10 second CD on SLA CM, a 6 second CD on SLA MM, and 3/2 second CD's respectively on the non-SLA versions, you could argue that rotation isn't optimized, though that is really an argument of Number of mobs attenuated by time to kill. But this wouldn't make that much of a difference anyway. If it takes about 1.1 seconds to cast a spell, and a mob wouldn't die after the above 4 Spell rotation, you might want to change up the rotation slightly.

Anyway, not sure if this helps you gear at all, but I did the math anyway because I got curious, so I thought I would share it.

Thanks, Har. Appreciated.

The max caster level for the fvs version is 6+3+3+2 =14. Giving 26 projectiles.

The fvs benefits from Archon, Divine Punishment, Scourge, Just Rewards, and BB are amazing. The archon is very handy. It takes half your spellpower and crit chance. Arcane Supremacy procs-> summon archon-> wooot. Same with BB pretty much. And then even crazier when Joy procs turning BB into this stupid shiradi procing, 100% crit damage with 87% crit chance(for me atm). Really hard not to include it.

Thinking maybe a 14 wiz 4 fvs 2 pal would be decent. mostly from max CM CL and not having to use abishai set with the new raid gloves coming. But Im not sure it's as easy as suped up BB and Archon. I tried a 14sor 4fvs version(twice for last 2 sorc lives) and while it was decent, it doesnt kill as fast as the fvs. Tried a Dc warlock and a shiradi 6 wiz warlock. But I went back to the fvs again because I like it that much. Easiest build I have played to date.

Scorching ray is really good also, has max CL of 11 for 3 rays. I use it on single target rotation hotbar whenever Im not too lazy to hit ctrl+2. Searing Light, Nimbus, and Divine Punishment are also in that rotation. With Ruin for orange/reds. I usually just spam the AoE hotbar of 4 Missile spells, hellball, sonic blast, Burst, BB.


either way, looks like I will have to squeeze in that stupid abishai set anyway.

AtomicMew wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 11:39pm:

2 pally bf. If I had lesser heart I would have went 2 fvs for scourge, and just reward.  It was good, but really missed the fvs levels. I took scholar cores, tier 5 archmage. Pretty much same build sestra posted "ruin king". That was before he posted his tho, got the idea from you i think it was, somewhere on these boards.

harharharhar wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 11:51pm:

I dumped it completely. Think the dc is like 33 base. Against evasion mobs hellball is the shit. cant be evaded.

Rubbinns wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 11:56pm:

Yeah everyone I know who built FVS since they came out dump WIS, accept the save usually happening and are happy with the remaining (boosted in other ways) damage.

Yes I doubt mates had access to your PL/gear. FVS at lower gear / lives end seems you may as well just use the build points and AP in more interesting ways, just like the Shiradi approach.

Shame, really.