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Sep 27th, 2015 at 4:48am
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18 rogue/2 Arti
Neutral
Human

Stats:
16 dex (w/ +5 tome)
16 con
18 int (+ levels)

Feats:
1 Point Blank Shot
1 Rapid Shot
(A)Rapid Reload
3 Weapon Focus Ranged
6 Precision
9 Precise Shot
12 Imp Critical
15 Completionist (2nd weapon focus if not completionist)
18 Imp Precise Shot
21 Overwhelming Crit
24 Combat Archery
26 Holy Strike
27 Imp Sneak Attack
28 Double Shot

Enhancements:
40 points in Mech w/ T5 & core 5
25 in Assassin for Killer & Sneak Attack
12 in Harper for KTA, Int to hit, and ranged power
3 in human for damage boost & heal amp

Epic Destiny: Legendary Dreadnought

Twists:
4 Piercing Clarity
3 Grim Precision
1 Rejuvenation Cocoon
1 Stay Frosty


Gear:
TF T3 GXbow
Knives Eternal
Shadowscale light armor
Sightless
Shroud of Ardent
E Litany (Manual of pilfering swap)
Cloak of the Night Lvl 24
Belt of Braided Beards
Strange Tidings (Avithoul or Deceit until ST gets fixed)
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E Alacrity Quiver
Sanctified Gages
E Ship Kickers
Mysterious Bracers
E Mentau Goggles
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Reply #1 - Sep 27th, 2015 at 11:53pm
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Don't the other weapon foci just give melee power? Why would you take one on a mech?
  
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Reply #2 - Sep 28th, 2015 at 12:04am
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WeHaveLived wrote on Sep 27th, 2015 at 11:53pm:
Don't the other weapon foci just give melee power? Why would you take one on a mech?


Weapon Focus: Thrown?
  

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Reply #3 - Sep 28th, 2015 at 2:59am
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5 Foot Step wrote on Sep 27th, 2015 at 4:48am:
4 Shiradi Echoes

This doesn't increase my listed speed rate of 22 from blinding speed feat.
  

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Reply #4 - Sep 28th, 2015 at 4:42am
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Rubbinns wrote on Sep 28th, 2015 at 2:59am:
This doesn't increase my listed speed rate of 22 from blinding speed feat.


Hmmm. Will have to look into that. I built this on an alt so have just been grinding xp most of the time. Possibly a conflict with blinding speed? I don't have room for that one.

What do you usually twist?
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Reply #5 - Sep 28th, 2015 at 4:42am
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Which feat woudl you give up for blinding speed?
  
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Reply #6 - Sep 28th, 2015 at 5:56am
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AtomicMew wrote on Sep 28th, 2015 at 4:42am:
Which feat woudl you give up for blinding speed?


It's certainly pretty pointless if you're running a gxbow build...

Also, I really liked insightful reflexes on mine while levelling, and I went pure, as I'm pretty sure the additional sneak attack > eternal knives. Crap maths from my crappy build:

3d6 sneak dice = 11.5 average damage from sneak.

24 RP - epic levels
16 (rounded up) average RP - zeal
12 RP - DC Cores
20 RP - Mech
1 RP - Tome (Haven't upgraded yet)
2 RP - Mythic from E Divine Artillerty
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75 RP
11.5 * 1.75 * 1.5 = 30.2 average damage from sneak (which I basically get permanently due to assassins trick).

Knives is average 3.5 (spiked) + 11 (knife shot) = 14.5.

I still get that the 2 arti provides versatility with the dog + rapid reload + feat, but given that just the sneak damage trumps the knives, not to mention the 3 base damage, and the occasionally useful clicky, I'm pretty certain 20 rogue is better DPS. I may have missed something though. As I said, crappy maths is crappy... on a crappy build... from a crappy player Cheesy
  
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Re: U28 Mech
Reply #7 - Sep 28th, 2015 at 6:56am
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I took 2 Art this time. It'll be 2 something else next time. Even diverting AP to get 18% run speed from the Rog levels is not enough. Gotta have me that Sprint Boost.
  
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kum-gulp wrote on Sep 28th, 2015 at 6:56am:
I took 2 Art this time. It'll be 2 something else next time. Even diverting AP to get 18% run speed from the Rog levels is not enough. Gotta have me that Sprint Boost.


Hahaha, I can hear that. I think you can even fit it in AP wise (assuming 8 to get three ranks from any second tier tree), 40 ap in mech, 23 in assassin for t3 killer, 8 ap in harper for KTA = 71, so you'd have one ap left over to play with. Tempest or FB looks garbage, but I could kinda like warchanter. You could throw that extra ap into rough and ready for 6 PRR.

Would mean giving up human damage boost though, which would make me sad.
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Reply #9 - Sep 28th, 2015 at 8:22am
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Shiradi Champion: Gain a +1 Dexterity, +5 Spot, +2 Listen and 2 Diplomacy. Your attack speed with bows and thrown weapons is 10% faster. Finally, you gain a +20% bonus to the duration of your Songs.

Knives eternal is lower damage than both toven and glass cannon (unless you count the spike guard as a source of dps for knives). Not sure why would someone use it on 2 artie spash with lower damage per proc and no special utility.
  
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Reply #10 - Sep 28th, 2015 at 10:10am
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Limpgimp wrote on Sep 28th, 2015 at 8:22am:
Shiradi Champion: Gain a +1 Dexterity, +5 Spot, +2 Listen and 2 Diplomacy. Your attack speed with bows and thrown weapons is 10% faster. Finally, you gain a +20% bonus to the duration of your Songs.


I know it stacks, but is that 10% actually noticeable though? I thought diminishing returns hit attack speed pretty hard, so once you factor in BAB, 40% from mech plus rapid shot and rapid reload. Is that 10% actually more like 1%? I've just tried to search up recent statistics on ranged speed but can't find much. I'm sure I've seen something recent though. I'm asking seriously, not trolling, I'm just not sure I would give up sense weakness or something else for it.
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Reply #11 - Sep 28th, 2015 at 12:06pm
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5 Foot Step wrote on Sep 28th, 2015 at 4:42am:
What do you usually twist?

I'm on pally base mech and using endless LoH to make up for lack of empower heal, and heals for 780. atm.

grim precision
LoH
cocoon

swapped grim for blessed blades on new content to break through those 100 damage reduction mobs

also: haste pot reflex bonus stacks with blinding speed reflex bonus. at least on char sheet display.
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Reply #12 - Sep 28th, 2015 at 3:55pm
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totally wrote on Sep 28th, 2015 at 5:56am:
It's certainly pretty pointless if you're running a gxbow build...


Sorry, havent played one yet.  Why is it pointless to take blinding speed?
  
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Reply #13 - Sep 28th, 2015 at 4:40pm
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5 Foot Step wrote on Sep 28th, 2015 at 12:04am:
Weapon Focus: Thrown?



Correct. You can get ranged power from either WF Thrown or Ranged.
  
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Reply #14 - Sep 28th, 2015 at 5:31pm
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Rubbinns wrote on Sep 28th, 2015 at 12:06pm:
grim precision
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No Pin ? Wut ?
Leg Shot and Pin best ever. I'd consider it essential except raiding.
  
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Wipe wrote on Sep 28th, 2015 at 5:31pm:
I'd consider it essential except raiding.

nah. the fact that I even have to use leg shot annoys me. now you want me to use another button?

might be essential on low prr rogues, but im at 150 blitzing. can face tank most mobs.
  

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Reply #16 - Sep 29th, 2015 at 10:39am
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AtomicMew wrote on Sep 28th, 2015 at 3:55pm:
Sorry, havent played one yet.  Why is it pointless to take blinding speed?


Mechanical Reloader: +10 Ranged Power, +10% Ranged Alacrity with repeating crossbows and thrown weapons. +40% Ranged Alacrity with non-repeating crossbows.

Note: Ranged Alacrity is an enhancement bonus, thus does not stack with Haste spell but does stack with fighter/rogue haste boost.
  
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Reply #17 - Sep 29th, 2015 at 10:41am
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Wipe wrote on Sep 28th, 2015 at 5:31pm:
Leg Shot and Pin best ever. I'd consider it essential except raiding.


Yeah, I was quite fucking keen on them too on a pure rogue. Your holy sword variant is a very different beast rubb.
  
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Reply #18 - Sep 29th, 2015 at 11:12pm
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totally wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 10:39am:
Mechanical Reloader: +10 Ranged Power, +10% Ranged Alacrity with repeating crossbows and thrown weapons. +40% Ranged Alacrity with non-repeating crossbows.

Note: Ranged Alacrity is an enhancement bonus, thus does not stack with Haste spell but does stack with fighter/rogue haste boost.

Thanks, can't believe I missed that.   Tongue
  
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Reply #19 - Sep 30th, 2015 at 12:13am
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Try a repeater, really it's much better.
I'm enjoying repeaters a great deal atm grinding epic past lives, can't go back to GXbow even though they are strong as well.
  
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Reply #20 - Sep 30th, 2015 at 1:38am
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Rubbinns wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 4:22am:
nah. the fact that I even have to use leg shot annoys me. now you want me to use another button?

might be essential on low prr rogues, but im at 150 blitzing. can face tank most mobs.


It induces helpless state and raises DPS as such
  
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Reply #21 - Sep 30th, 2015 at 2:19am
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SayWhatAgain wrote on Sep 30th, 2015 at 12:13am:
Try a repeater, really it's much better.
I'm enjoying repeaters a great deal atm grinding epic past lives, can't go back to GXbow even though they are strong as well.

GXBs depend a lot on sneak attack. Your play style is an important factor in the choice between a GXB and a repeater.
  

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Reply #22 - Sep 30th, 2015 at 3:26am
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Revaulting wrote on Sep 30th, 2015 at 2:19am:
GXBs depend a lot on sneak attack. Your play style is an important factor in the choice between a GXB and a repeater.


I figured it out:

*Use GXBs in parties/raids where someone else can grab most of the mob aggro (i.e. at least one badass mofo).

*Use Repeaters in solo/parties where no one can grab mob aggro (i.e. a bunch of gimps Cheesy)

+Repeaters to build up Blitz and switch to GXBs in situations where it may result in MOAR DPS.

  

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Reply #23 - Sep 30th, 2015 at 7:41am
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Two questions tf gxbow vs the Epic Divine Artillery since I have not done a xbow build yet and what about 12/6/2 to get ranger in there for Sniper Shot? -5 SA die (counting from assassin), -2 special abilities, +1 useful feat and some enhancements?
  
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Reply #24 - Sep 30th, 2015 at 8:45am
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fr8o wrote on Sep 30th, 2015 at 7:41am:
Two questions tf gxbow vs the Epic Divine Artillery since I have not done a xbow build yet and what about 12/6/2 to get ranger in there for Sniper Shot? -5 SA die (counting from assassin), -2 special abilities, +1 useful feat and some enhancements?


I think most people will tell you TF tier 3 is better, but it's a fuck-load easier to get a divine artillery. I pulled one my first epic run, and it really is a shocking amount of DPS. Running in DC, I was regularly critting in 3 -5k range + 3 - 400 sneak damage, and my build was by no means optimised.

Alex DeLarge wrote on Sep 30th, 2015 at 3:26am:
I figured it out:

*Use GXBs in parties/raids where someone else can grab most of the mob aggro (i.e. at least one badass mofo).

*Use Repeaters in solo/parties where no one can grab mob aggro (i.e. a bunch of gimps )

+Repeaters to build up Blitz and switch to GXBs in situations where it may result in MOAR DPS.


Eh, GXBow works fine solo as long as you remember to assassin's trick all the things. It really is the only vaguely active bit of the build.
  
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