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Technomage Epic Poster Offline And so it begins... Posts: 4444 Location: Tucson, AZ Joined: Aug 27^th, 2015 Gender:	Dex-based Archer Oct 18^th, 2015 at 1:23pm	Print Post
	Want to build a Dex-based archer (possibly pure Ranger) that should wind up with 9 - 12 sneak attack dice + the extra sneak damage from a Ring of House Avithul (average of 60+ sneak damage at any range with the Deepwood capstone). I was originally going to go with Shadar-Kai as my race choice but the more I look at it, I strongly considering going for Halfling. In D&D, small races have to use smaller weapons that do less damage. Is this true in DDO? The answer won't make or break the build but I'd like to make a decision based on all the facts. Can anyone tell me about any relationship between toon size and weapon damage? Are there any other reasons I should reconsider the Halfling or consider some other race? Also, regarding Epic Destinies, I like Divine Crusader a lot but I suppose Shiradi should also be considered. Does anyone have any strong feelings about Shiradi for a full-time archer, one way or another? Any other Epic Destiny choices I should consider?
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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Dex-based Archer Reply #1 - Oct 18^th, 2015 at 1:45pm	Print Post
	Technomage wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 1:23pm: Want to build a Dex-based archer (possibly pure Ranger) that should wind up with 9 - 12 sneak attack dice + the extra sneak damage from a Ring of House Avithul (average of 60+ sneak damage at any range with the Deepwood capstone). I was originally going to go with Shadar-Kai as my race choice but the more I look at it, I strongly considering going for Halfling. In D&D, small races have to use smaller weapons that do less damage. Is this true in DDO? The answer won't make or break the build but I'd like to make a decision based on all the facts. Can anyone tell me about any relationship between toon size and weapon damage? Are there any other reasons I should reconsider the Halfling or consider some other race? Also, regarding Epic Destinies, I like Divine Crusader a lot but I suppose Shiradi should also be considered. Does anyone have any strong feelings about Shiradi for a full-time archer, one way or another? Any other Epic Destiny choices I should consider? Halflings are not limited to certain weapons due to size.� Nor to weapon damage. Here are their racial specific traits, most due to size: +2 Dexterity, �2 Strength +1 size bonus to Armor Class +1 size bonus on attack rolls +4 size bonus on Hide checks +2 racial bonus on Jump, Listen, and Move Silently checks. +1 racial bonus on all saving throws. +2 morale bonus on saving throws against fear: This bonus stacks with the Halfling�s +1 bonus on saving throws in general. +1 racial bonus on attack rolls with thrown weapons. Carrying capacity is three-quarters of that of a Medium character. -4 Intimidate penalty for each class size lower (-4 vs. normal, -8 vs. large). As for race, I'm not sure it matters that much, since there are a lot of AP to spend in the DWS and AA trees. You might be able to squeeze in at least one rank in Guile, though.
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harharharhar Epic Poster Offline Girthless Trolllicker Posts: 3421 Joined: Aug 31^st, 2012 Gender:	Re: Dex-based Archer Reply #2 - Oct 18^th, 2015 at 2:04pm	Print Post
	halfling is the best race IMO for SA and Dex builds. That being said as Asheras pointed out, you will have trouble having any points to spend Halfling since between DWS, AA, and Harper there is already so much good stuff.


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Technomage Epic Poster Offline And so it begins... Posts: 4444 Location: Tucson, AZ Joined: Aug 27^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: Dex-based Archer Reply #3 - Oct 18^th, 2015 at 2:47pm	Print Post
	Not going to use Harper tree at all. I figure I can get 1 rank of Guile for sure. 2 ranks will really be pushing it I think. I figure a 66 Dex should be practical to achieve if I go Divine Crusader, 70 or 72 if I go Shiradi. Not sure that's worth doing though. Thanks for the info regarding toon size and weapon damage. This will be my first Halfling toon ever. Edited: Just went through the APs and it looks like I'll only get 1 Guile sneak attack die so that will be 9 sneak attacke doce total. 6 from DWS, 2 from Shadow Armor (light), and 1 from Guile. The average should work out to around 54. Not quite 60 damage but still decent.
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[] Madame President Offline Posts: 10532 Joined: Oct 16^th, 2015	Re: Dex-based Archer Reply #4 - Oct 18^th, 2015 at 5:40pm	Print Post
	why would you want to build something what's about to get nerfd to shit?


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Technomage Epic Poster Offline And so it begins... Posts: 4444 Location: Tucson, AZ Joined: Aug 27^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: Dex-based Archer Reply #5 - Oct 18^th, 2015 at 7:14pm	Print Post
	[] wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 5:40pm: why would you want to build something what's about to get nerfd to shit? Hullo Thanks

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Notharharhar Ex Member	Re: Dex-based Archer Reply #6 - Oct 18^th, 2015 at 7:29pm	Print Post
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Starkjade Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Rogue Scholar Posts: 7082 Location: Canadia Joined: Aug 27^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: Dex-based Archer Reply #7 - Oct 19^th, 2015 at 1:33pm	Print Post
	That's weird, how they both use complete sentences and proper grammar.

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Technomage Epic Poster Offline And so it begins... Posts: 4444 Location: Tucson, AZ Joined: Aug 27^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: Dex-based Archer Reply #8 - Oct 19^th, 2015 at 3:29pm	Print Post
	Starkjade wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 1:33pm: That's weird, how they both use complete sentences and proper grammar. Nobody on the internet does that!

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Notharharhar Ex Member	Re: Dex-based Archer Reply #9 - Oct 19^th, 2015 at 3:35pm	Print Post
	Must be a Wyoming thing.
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harharharhar Epic Poster Offline Girthless Trolllicker Posts: 3421 Joined: Aug 31^st, 2012 Gender:	Re: Dex-based Archer Reply #10 - Oct 19^th, 2015 at 6:06pm	Print Post
	Quote: Must be a Wyoming thing. Hi Hag/Remi/Grand/Forest!


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5 Foot Step Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Hate Idiots! Posts: 11119 Location: USA Joined: Mar 8^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Dex-based Archer Reply #11 - Oct 19^th, 2015 at 10:45pm	Print Post
	Technomage wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 1:23pm: I suppose Shiradi should also be considered. Does anyone have any strong feelings about Shiradi for a full-time archer, one way or another? Don't do it. Shiradi is good for casters because spellpower applies to the procs. This is not the case for ranged.

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[] Madame President Offline Posts: 10532 Joined: Oct 16^th, 2015	Re: Dex-based Archer Reply #12 - Oct 19^th, 2015 at 10:46pm	Print Post
	shiradi ranged = best CC in the game.


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harharharhar Epic Poster Offline Girthless Trolllicker Posts: 3421 Joined: Aug 31^st, 2012 Gender:	Re: Dex-based Archer Reply #13 - Oct 19^th, 2015 at 10:52pm	Print Post
	5 Foot Step wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 10:45pm: Don't do it. Shiradi is good for casters because spellpower applies to the procs. This is not the case for ranged. Seconded. Shiradi is garbage for a thrower. You should be in LD not needing CC because everything just dies


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[] Madame President Offline Posts: 10532 Joined: Oct 16^th, 2015	Re: Dex-based Archer Reply #14 - Oct 19^th, 2015 at 10:58pm	Print Post
	some times you need cc; ti's an option.


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Technomage Epic Poster Offline And so it begins... Posts: 4444 Location: Tucson, AZ Joined: Aug 27^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: Dex-based Archer Reply #15 - Oct 19^th, 2015 at 11:12pm	Print Post
	harharharhar wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 10:52pm: Seconded. Shiradi is garbage for a thrower. You should be in LD not needing CC because everything just dies LD for bow user? What are you? High? I'll humor you. Why?
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Technomage Epic Poster Offline And so it begins... Posts: 4444 Location: Tucson, AZ Joined: Aug 27^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: Dex-based Archer Reply #16 - Oct 19^th, 2015 at 11:15pm	Print Post
	[] wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 10:58pm: some times you need cc; ti's an option. ti?

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5 Foot Step Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Hate Idiots! Posts: 11119 Location: USA Joined: Mar 8^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Dex-based Archer Reply #17 - Oct 19^th, 2015 at 11:18pm	Print Post
	Technomage wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 11:12pm: LD for bow user? What are you? High? I'll humor you. Why? 70 RP outweighs many EDs all by itself. Add in action boosts, advancing blows, devastating critical, critical damage. You'll end up "wasting" points in con on your archer, but it is still always one of the best choices for any non-caster.

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harharharhar Epic Poster Offline Girthless Trolllicker Posts: 3421 Joined: Aug 31^st, 2012 Gender:	Re: Dex-based Archer Reply #18 - Oct 19^th, 2015 at 11:19pm	Print Post
	Technomage wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 11:12pm: LD for bow user? What are you? High? I'll humor you. Why? Because I had a huge brainfart and thought I was still in the thrower Thread. Although, I often ran my Monkcher in LD/Blitz when I still had one. You would use Morphic Arrows so you were bludgeoning and then Pulverizer would apply to the bow. Also that was when Blitz was worth 250% Damage and you had to kill things for a stack. In the snow. Up hill. And you liked it!
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[] Madame President Offline Posts: 10532 Joined: Oct 16^th, 2015	Re: Dex-based Archer Reply #19 - Oct 19^th, 2015 at 11:23pm	Print Post
	@ cluless gay nigger Technomage: you can blitz constantly, or you can fury briefly.� it's a choice between steady, consistent damage output all the time, or sub-par performance 75% of the time and hotter than the surface of the sun sauce 25% of the time.� i get's DOWN with the fury....
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Technomage Epic Poster Offline And so it begins... Posts: 4444 Location: Tucson, AZ Joined: Aug 27^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: Dex-based Archer Reply #20 - Oct 19^th, 2015 at 11:30pm	Print Post
	5 Foot Step wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 11:18pm: 70 RP outweighs many EDs all by itself. Add in action boosts, advancing blows, devastating critical, critical damage. You'll end up "wasting" points in con on your archer, but it is still always one of the best choices for any non-caster. Interesting. Thanks. Advancing Blows says "On MELEE critical hit" though.
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Technomage Epic Poster Offline And so it begins... Posts: 4444 Location: Tucson, AZ Joined: Aug 27^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: Dex-based Archer Reply #21 - Oct 19^th, 2015 at 11:31pm	Print Post
	harharharhar wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 11:19pm: You would use Morphic Arrows so you were bludgeoning and then Pulverizer would apply to the bow. Interesting as well. I didn't know this. Thanks.

	Do not try the patience of wizards, for they are subtle and quick to anger. We are dreamers, shapers, singers, and makers. We study the mysteries of laser and circuit, crystal and scanner, holographic demons and invocation of equations. These are the tools we employ, and we know many things. The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
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5 Foot Step Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Hate Idiots! Posts: 11119 Location: USA Joined: Mar 8^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Dex-based Archer Reply #22 - Oct 20^th, 2015 at 12:59am	Print Post
	Technomage wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 11:30pm: Interesting. Thanks. Advancing Blows says "On MELEE critical hit" though. It does say that. That's not how it works though. Par for the course.

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Technomage Epic Poster Offline And so it begins... Posts: 4444 Location: Tucson, AZ Joined: Aug 27^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: Dex-based Archer Reply #23 - Oct 20^th, 2015 at 1:03am	Print Post
	5 Foot Step wrote on Oct 20^th, 2015 at 12:59am: It does say that. That's not how it works though. Par for the course. Ahhhh...

	Do not try the patience of wizards, for they are subtle and quick to anger. We are dreamers, shapers, singers, and makers. We study the mysteries of laser and circuit, crystal and scanner, holographic demons and invocation of equations. These are the tools we employ, and we know many things. The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
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[] Madame President Offline Posts: 10532 Joined: Oct 16^th, 2015	Re: Dex-based Archer Reply #24 - Oct 20^th, 2015 at 1:06am	Print Post
	you MUST take your head out of your ass briefly enough to grab a clue.


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