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Repeater proc idea for heroic past life
Nov 5th, 2015 at 2:48pm
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Not a full build yet. Idea still.

2 Arti 6 Ranger 4 Warlock +8

Repeater based feats (I really like how front loaded 2 Arti 6 Ranger will be)

Harper 12 Int to hit/dmg + angles + spell power
AA 33 Acid Arrows/Spell Power
DWS 11 Sniper Shot (on hit sneak)
24 ES Light dmg on hit/Spell Power/Brilliance
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Re: Repeater proc idea for heroic past life
Reply #1 - Nov 5th, 2015 at 2:58pm
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Reply #2 - Nov 5th, 2015 at 4:37pm
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I'm guessing in before they nerf your face? What could possibly be OP about a build like this?
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Re: Repeater proc idea for heroic past life
Reply #3 - Nov 5th, 2015 at 5:02pm
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Not a full build yet. Idea still.

2 Arti 6 Ranger 4 Warlock +8

Repeater based feats (I really like how front loaded 2 Arti 6 Ranger will be)

Harper 12 Int to hit/dmg + angles + spell power
AA 33 Acid Arrows/Spell Power
DWS 11 Sniper Shot (on hit sneak)
24 ES Light dmg on hit/Spell Power/Brilliance


So wait,  You have 2 Arti/6 Ranger/4 Warlock and 8 of something else?  Isn't that 4 classes?

What am I missing here?
  
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Re: Repeater proc idea for heroic past life
Reply #4 - Nov 5th, 2015 at 5:10pm
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Asheras wrote on Nov 5th, 2015 at 5:02pm:
8 of something else?

8 is left open to the past life you wanted out of the three.
  

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Re: Repeater proc idea for heroic past life
Reply #5 - Nov 5th, 2015 at 7:31pm
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I'm guessing in before they nerf your face? What could possibly be OP about a build like this?

Hah, nearly! "In Before The Kill Yourself Faggot". I was amazed there was a thread in here without that as the second post.

Sorry, couldn't resist. Doesn't look OP, does look fun. I've not had a play with how the new Ranger trees and Repeaters interact yet.
  
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Reply #6 - Nov 5th, 2015 at 8:44pm
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this would be a very powerful leveling build, no question
  
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Reply #7 - Nov 5th, 2015 at 9:42pm
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Asheras wrote on Nov 5th, 2015 at 5:02pm:
Isn't that 4 classes?


For some reason they nerfed that build out of existence (Mega Critzilla). It used to be barb/ranger/fighter (crit rage/sniper shot/ranged specialization) using a holy sword traded TOEE repeater with tons of double shot.
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Re: Repeater proc idea for heroic past life
Reply #8 - Nov 6th, 2015 at 12:45pm
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Rubbinns wrote on Nov 5th, 2015 at 5:10pm:
8 is left open to the past life you wanted out of the three.


Ok.  That makes sense.  Most past life "stock" builds (like Pastlifenmo) give you a two class split that provides the power and then you have an X class as the 3rd class which is the PL you get.
  
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Re: Repeater proc idea for heroic past life
Reply #9 - Nov 6th, 2015 at 11:46pm
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+Elemental Weapons +Flame Arrow

You'll want at least 3 Arti.

Still it seems wrong to do xbow with no rogue now.

I know I'd dump ranger for six levels of rogue and take the sneak attack dice, 20 ranged power, extended vorpal, 10% doubleshot, and alacrity.

Too bad you wouldn't be able to get the 17 extra sneak attack dice on a repeater though.
  

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Re: Repeater proc idea for heroic past life
Reply #10 - Nov 14th, 2015 at 7:40pm
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I finished build idea:

Fireshot

2 Arti >5 Ranger > 4 Warlock + 9 Free levels for past life/perks.

Mix and match whatever perks you want:
4/8 Arti gives feats/elemental weps/elemental arrow spell and more repair healing (but tasty ham from mabar is elemental wep, and you can UMD elemental arrows)
9/11 ranger gives evasion/IPS and better positive energy healing
6/12 warlock gives faster aura ticks with more dmg for more temporary hp, and warlock epic feat

Enhancements
Harper 14 Int to hit/dmg/angles/10 spell power/4 Ranged Power
AA 34 9d8 Fire Arrows Imbue/45 Spell Power
ES 24 3d6 Light dmg on hit/30 Light 12 Spell Power/Brilliance
AT 4 3% Fire Crit/4 Spell Power
SE 4 11 Spell Power/3 Ranged Power

Total: 9d8 Fire, 3d6 Light, 82 Spell Power, 3% fire crit 30 Light Spell Power/ 7 Ranged Power+Int Hit/1.5 Int to Dmg

Feats: Quicken (for draconic attacks), PBS, IPS (possible perk) + Toughness/Mental Toughness/Skill Focus: Spellcraft/IC/Insightful Reflexes

Free Feats: Repeaters (heavy + Light), Rapid Shot, Precise Shot, Rapid Reload

ED: Draconic: Fire
Twists Consecrate/Sacred Ground + Empyrian Magic


Stats: IPS requires dex 19 and BaB 11, rest as you see fit. High int + level ups in int.

Gameplay: Energy Burst/Dragons Breath, then layer energy vortex, consecrate, warlock aura, and IPS auto attacks on top of each other.

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Level 20 calculations for epic leveling:

With Int based you will have ~40 Int at 20, for 38 spell craft + 11 Augment, or 49 Spell Power

90 Devotion spell Power Augment 84 Fire Spell power Sage's Spectacles/ +6 Weapon = 18 spell power / 84 Light Spell Power Sages helm

ED: Draconic: Fire
Twists Consecrate/Sacred Ground + Empyrian Magic (fueled by warlock aura) = 50 Fire Spell Power, 20 Light Spell Power 10% Fire Crit

= 283 Fire Spell Power and Light Spell Power, 190 Positive Spell Power (heal skill does not improve consecrate)

= 155 Fire Damage and 40 Light Damage per hit @ level 20 from imbues

Hmm, builds not mature yet. Need arti pass for runearms to scale with spell power first. Otherwise might as well drop arti for monk for shurikens or rogue for SA.

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Re: Repeater proc idea for heroic past life
Reply #11 - Nov 16th, 2015 at 11:34pm
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Need arti pass for runearms to scale with spell power first.


They don't? Then how are my 18 rogue/2 arti runearm blasts doing ~500 damage?
  

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Re: Repeater proc idea for heroic past life
Reply #12 - Nov 17th, 2015 at 2:04pm
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apples - oranges

rune arm active shot - boosted by spellpower
rune arm passive damage add-on - not boosted by anything
  
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Re: Repeater proc idea for heroic past life
Reply #13 - Nov 18th, 2015 at 4:23am
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crunch wrote on Nov 17th, 2015 at 2:04pm:
apples - oranges

rune arm active shot - boosted by spellpower
rune arm passive damage add-on - not boosted by anything

Ah, that makes more sense.
  

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Re: Repeater proc idea for heroic past life
Reply #14 - Dec 3rd, 2015 at 2:35pm
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'Im realizing as I play that I'm only scratching the surface of what is possible.

Vulnerability repeater 20% dmg + Taint the Aura 10% dmg + Electric Motes 15% dmg = 1.2 x 1.1 x 1.15 = 1.52x damage from AA imbues.

Also, don't need to use fire, since most sources of elemental spell power are universal and you could pick any for draconic. You could, for example, use lightning, with 9 arti lvls for Insightful dmg and lightning motes, which frees up 11 AP in harper to get Taint the Aura.
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Re: Repeater proc idea for heroic past life
Reply #15 - Dec 3rd, 2015 at 4:47pm
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whats all this about taints?
  
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Re: Repeater proc idea for heroic past life
Reply #16 - Dec 3rd, 2015 at 4:50pm
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but in all seriousness, does motes vuln stack with repeater electric vuln and does that stack with Sorc T5 awaken elemental weakness?
  
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Re: Repeater proc idea for heroic past life
Reply #17 - Dec 3rd, 2015 at 11:52pm
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Sorc T5 would stop you from getting two die from AA T5. So I don't think it is worth it. I also don't know.

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There is one thing that could be tested. I  have this feeling fireshot really should be fire.  5 Ranger 3 warlock 12 Sorc just might be able to use AA inferno shot and T5 Elemental Arrows to stack on top of a high spell power/crit sorc burning stack and to trigger the stack on application. Might.
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Reply #18 - Dec 8th, 2015 at 12:55am
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This one is for you jakeelala for all your help in dps testing.
It has a high enough DC for you to drop it a bit as a monk shuriken thrower.

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Re: Repeater proc idea for heroic past life
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Reply #20 - Dec 11th, 2015 at 1:06am
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Moving this build here off DDO forums. Seems a better spot and community.



Repeater on hit order as above puts imbue after weapon effects.

This is a completely untested idea. So it may work. Or it may not.

So mortal fear. Some people love it, some hate it. Personally, I think it leaves a lot to be desired. First, it only instant kills mobs if they are helpless and you are running combat brute or a lot of helpless damage. Second, it isn't available at level 20 when we first start doing EE content. And last it won't work in legendary content. So I figured why not make a build that "fixes" it to instant kill without helpless, starting at level 7, and also instant kills from level 7 through legendary content. Hence Mortal Fear 2.0. New and improved. As a side bonus, by the time you reach 30 and legendary content is released it should have DC's legends are made of. Of course, it also has solid spell power for on-hit AA imbue damage for bosses and healing/buffing. Plus trapping.

Plus since our instant kill is a vorpal weapon effect and not a spell or SLA, I think we get to totally bypass all spell resistance and epic resilience, which gives EE mobs +6 all spell saves while at full health. Maybe. I'm going to add this +6 save bypass into the DC as a bonus so you can compare it to a standard Necro.

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1 Arti 1 Warlock 18 bard

Feats:
1 PBS Free: Repeaters / Rapid Reload / Trap finding
3 Precise Shot
6 Rapid Shot (Dex 13, tomes +1)
9 SF: Enchant  1 DC
12 ISF:Enchant 1 DC
15 PL:Bard or Wiz 1 DC
18 IPS (Dex 19, tomes +4)
20 Free: Warlock Pact

Stats:
Dex for Feats
Max Wisdom, all level ups in wisdom

Enhancements:

AA 27            4 DC 2 Wisdom
Elf 17                   1 DC
SS Bard 34      8 DC
SE 2                  4 Fort Debuff

Wisdom@20 = 18 + 5 level ups +5 tome + 2 ship + 7 item + 3 insight/quality + 8 ED + 2 Enhancement = 50

ED: Exalted Angel 3 DC
Twists: Wisdomx2, Draconic Presence and Spell School Specialist: Enchantment 6 DC

EE Spell Equivalent Level 20 terror arrows breakdown:
Vorpal and Not a Spell                                          6 DC
Feats                                                                 3 DC
ED total                                                              9 DC
Item  (Sage's)                                3 DC
Augment and Ship Buff                                         2 DC
Enhancements                                                    13 DC
Stats                                                                 20 DC
Base                                                                 20 DC
Cursespewing Endless Night Cannith Weapon   -6 All Saves
Debuff Fort                                                        -4 Fort Save
Debuff Fear -2 All Saves
Puncturing Cannith Weapon (approx) -2 Fort Save

84 Terror Arrows DC, with -6 Fort applied on hit @ level 20. No consumables used. So DC 84 Will and DC 90 Fort save at level 20.

Spell Pen: Unnecessary: applied on-hit.
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Re: Repeater proc idea for heroic past life
Reply #21 - Dec 11th, 2015 at 7:14pm
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Re: Repeater proc idea for heroic past life
Reply #22 - Dec 12th, 2015 at 1:56am
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WeHaveLived wrote on Dec 11th, 2015 at 7:14pm:
But your SS is A6/R5/W4

yes, that was to show that imbues are calculated after the weapon effects(and for his repeater proc past life build). The build in the post below is for terror arrow dc. The screenshot shows the imbues procing after the weapon effects, giving an order for a better dc through various things like cursespewing etc.
  

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Re: Repeater proc idea for heroic past life
Reply #23 - Dec 12th, 2015 at 9:44am
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Duh. Alcohol may or may not have been involved. Thanks.
  
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Re: Repeater proc idea for heroic past life
Reply #24 - Dec 12th, 2015 at 5:48pm
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That's a warming way to play!

I'm pretty sure that high of a DC isn't necessary unless you are running level 30 EE quests at 20, and the build should have manyshot or quicken and stay frosty twisted. It'll be a few months though before I get to epics to mess around with it. EA is probably overkill as well. Last time I went through EE mobs had saves = CR, and mobs in low epic quests have CRs 20-30. Stormhorns are CR 60s, so the level 20 DC should be fine there.
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