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AtomicMew Horoluth Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 2073 Joined: Jan 12^th, 2011	U29 pure magister sorcs are going to be awesome! Nov 18^th, 2015 at 3:48am	Print Post
	With uncapped spells, you can get really, really high caster levels. It's actually a lot higher than I initially thought: 20 levels +7 savant +5 destiny +3 abishai +2 arcane soldier +3 master of evocation +3 dragon spell knowledge = caster level 43 Lightning bolt will have a base damage of 322.5. Assuming 900 spellpower (pretty easy after U29), the new legendary feats, lightning bolt will be critting for almost 10,000


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5 Foot Step Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Hate Idiots! Posts: 11119 Location: USA Joined: Mar 8^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: U29 pure magister sorcs are going to be awesome! Reply #1 - Nov 18^th, 2015 at 4:29am	Print Post
	Should be fun. One of my original characters was a sorcerer when savant originally rolled out. Good times.

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Munkenmo Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4337 Location: A land under down under Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: U29 pure magister sorcs are going to be awesome! Reply #2 - Nov 18^th, 2015 at 4:53am	Print Post
	AtomicMew wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 3:48am: Lightning bolt will have a base damage of 322.5. Assuming 900 spellpower (pretty easy after U29), the new legendary feats, lightning bolt will be critting for Over 9000 ftfy

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Doggydaddy Titan Demolisher Offline Pull my Finger...... Posts: 324 Joined: Jun 24^th, 2014	Re: U29 pure magister sorcs are going to be awesome! Reply #3 - Nov 18^th, 2015 at 9:03am	Print Post
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SayWhatAgain Dragon Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 236 Joined: Jul 30^th, 2014	Re: U29 pure magister sorcs are going to be awesome! Reply #4 - Nov 18^th, 2015 at 9:31am	Print Post
	Yup the new goodies for casters really do favor nuking sorcs, even more than shiradi's by the initial look of it. I don't understand this power creep when challenge is already scarcely found. The game was much more fun when it had real difficulty.


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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: U29 pure magister sorcs are going to be awesome! Reply #5 - Nov 18^th, 2015 at 11:57am	Print Post
	SayWhatAgain wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 9:31am: I don't understand this power creep when challenge is already scarcely found. The game was much more fun when it had real difficulty. this is so people come back, go to cap, farm new raids. then the balance nerf. where have I seen this b4?

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Technomage Epic Poster Offline And so it begins... Posts: 4444 Location: Tucson, AZ Joined: Aug 27^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: U29 pure magister sorcs are going to be awesome! Reply #6 - Nov 18^th, 2015 at 12:34pm	Print Post
	SayWhatAgain wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 9:31am: Yup the new goodies for casters really do favor nuking sorcs, even more than shiradi's by the initial look of it. I don't understand this power creep when challenge is already scarcely found. The game was much more fun when it had real difficulty. It's for "Legendary" difficulty quests.

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harharharhar Epic Poster Offline Girthless Trolllicker Posts: 3421 Joined: Aug 31^st, 2012 Gender:	Re: U29 pure magister sorcs are going to be awesome! Reply #7 - Nov 18^th, 2015 at 1:09pm	Print Post
	this is exciting, though I wish they'd do more to allow for arcanes to be really important in CC, and make CC really matter more. Like instead of not-dangerous 1million HP bags, make lower HP but very dangerous mobs, or mobs that attack en masse and become very dangerous in packs. CC FTW.
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DoRayEgon Shroud Slacker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1042 Joined: Apr 4^th, 2014	Re: U29 pure magister sorcs are going to be awesome! Reply #8 - Nov 18^th, 2015 at 1:47pm	Print Post
	I would still rather play Shiradi. The spells they are uncapping are abysmal.


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AtomicMew Horoluth Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 2073 Joined: Jan 12^th, 2011	Re: U29 pure magister sorcs are going to be awesome! Reply #9 - Nov 18^th, 2015 at 3:20pm	Print Post
	DoRayEgon wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 1:47pm: I would still rather play Shiradi.� The spells they are uncapping are abysmal. How do you figure. In the case of fire savant scorch and fireball will be like 3x the current delayed blast fireball.


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DoRayEgon Shroud Slacker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1042 Joined: Apr 4^th, 2014	Re: U29 pure magister sorcs are going to be awesome! Reply #10 - Nov 18^th, 2015 at 3:45pm	Print Post
	AtomicMew wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 3:20pm: How do you figure.� In the case of fire savant scorch and fireball will be like 3x the current delayed blast fireball.� Even with the epic spell point reductions it still feels like you will burn through spell points too fast with only 2 (3) SLA's.


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palmer01 VoD Slasher Offline Paladin Slayer Posts: 1737 Location: Los Angeles Joined: Apr 14^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: U29 pure magister sorcs are going to be awesome! Reply #11 - Nov 18^th, 2015 at 4:05pm	Print Post
	DoRayEgon wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 3:45pm: Even with the epic spell point reductions it still feels like you will burn through spell points too fast with only 2 (3) SLA's. Not with these babies! One of these is like drinking 50 superior elixirs! I might have to bring my old toon back out of hybernation - he resides on khyber
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DoRayEgon Shroud Slacker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1042 Joined: Apr 4^th, 2014	Re: U29 pure magister sorcs are going to be awesome! Reply #12 - Nov 18^th, 2015 at 4:14pm	Print Post
	palmer01 wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 4:05pm: Not with these babies! One of these is like drinking 50 superior elixirs! http://vnfa8y5n3zndutm1.zippykid.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/colt4... I might have to bring my old toon back out of hybernation - he resides on khyber Him and Han used to knock those babies back on the Millennium Falcon and throw the cans at C3P0.


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Grand Ex Member I Love Drama!	Re: U29 pure magister sorcs are going to be awesome! Reply #13 - Nov 18^th, 2015 at 6:51pm	Print Post
	Technomage wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 12:34pm: It's for "Legendary" difficulty quests. Better if they would have introduced a large amount of Legendary content before implementing this stuff. A couple of months of really scary challenge followed by players being able to work up to being able to handle it. FOT was a Abattoir the first few weeks, and the playing population feared it but loved the game. Just my 2 cents.


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	Grand wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 6:51pm: Better if they would have introduced a large amount of Legendary content before implementing this stuff. A couple of months of really scary challenge followed by players being able to work up to being able to handle it. I think they think they did, with the EE Necro tweaks.

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froggy Stormreaver Piker Offline LUDICROUS SPEED GO!!!!!!! Posts: 539 Location: Georgia Joined: Dec 2^nd, 2013 Gender:	Re: U29 pure magister sorcs are going to be awesome! Reply #15 - Nov 18^th, 2015 at 11:30pm	Print Post
	Rubbinns wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 11:57am: this is so people come back, go to cap, farm new raids. then the balance nerf. where have I seen this b4? well played sir.

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froggy Stormreaver Piker Offline LUDICROUS SPEED GO!!!!!!! Posts: 539 Location: Georgia Joined: Dec 2^nd, 2013 Gender:	Re: U29 pure magister sorcs are going to be awesome! Reply #16 - Nov 18^th, 2015 at 11:38pm	Print Post
	Do you guys think taking the fire path "Scion of the Plane of Fire �+25% Spell Critical Damage with all spells �+10 PRR, +10 MRR �+10 Fire Spell Power, +30 Universal Spell Power �Add 2d20 Fire damage to weapon and unarmed attacks (Scales with Spell Power)" will be better than taking the "Scion of the Plane of Air �+4 to the DCs of Evocation spells, +2 to the DCs of other spells �+4% Dodge, +4 to Dodge Cap �+10 Electric Spell Power, +30 Universal Spell Power �Add 2d20 Electric damage to weapon and unarmed attacks (Scales with Spell Power)" If you are already in magister I doubt the DCs will be a big issue, especially if you plan on making some twists for more DCs. That 25% spell crit seems to juicy to give up.

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Technomage Epic Poster Offline And so it begins... Posts: 4444 Location: Tucson, AZ Joined: Aug 27^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: U29 pure magister sorcs are going to be awesome! Reply #17 - Nov 18^th, 2015 at 11:45pm	Print Post
	Formatting? froggy wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 11:38pm: Do you guys think taking the fire path Quote: Scion of the Plane of Fire �+25% Spell Critical Damage with all spells �+10 PRR, +10 MRR �+10 Fire Spell Power, +30 Universal Spell Power �Add 2d20 Fire damage to weapon and unarmed attacks (Scales with Spell Power) will be better than taking the Quote: Scion of the Plane of Air �+4 to the DCs of Evocation spells, +2 to the DCs of other spells �+4% Dodge, +4 to Dodge Cap �+10 Electric Spell Power, +30 Universal Spell Power �Add 2d20 Electric damage to weapon and unarmed attacks (Scales with Spell Power) If you are already in magister I doubt the DCs will be a big issue, especially if you plan on making some twists for more DCs. That 25% spell crit seems to juicy to give up. Fire Scion all the way for my Sorc. That +25% to spell crit will give him around a 70% chance to crit Delayed Blast Fireballs (and other Fire spells) with 550+ Fire Spellpower to boot!
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froggy Stormreaver Piker Offline LUDICROUS SPEED GO!!!!!!! Posts: 539 Location: Georgia Joined: Dec 2^nd, 2013 Gender:	Re: U29 pure magister sorcs are going to be awesome! Reply #18 - Nov 19^th, 2015 at 1:24am	Print Post
	Sorry for the multiple posts, looks my editing privileges have been revoked. I went ahead and broke down some of the base damages of the spells on the list to make it easier to look up. And all of these base damages are assuming you have a caster level of 43. This spell damage increases every 2 caster levels instead of 1 Ice: Niac's Cold ray: 344 (1d5+5 per caster lvl) (43d5+215) Snowball storm: 215 (43d3+129) Niac's Biting cold: 46.5 per stack (1d6+43 per stack) Fire: Burning hands: 150.5 (43d2+86) * Scorch: 126 (21d3+84) Fireball: 215 (43d3+129) Air:Electric loop: 105 (21d3+63) Lightning bolt: 215 (43d3+129) Acid: Acid spray: 150.5 (43d2+86) Acid arrow: 26 (2d4+21) Acid blast: 215 (43d3+129) Seems my base damage number for lightning bolt is different from Mew's. To find out the most probably number (aka base damage) don't you do the amount of dice, times the highest dice possible plus the lowest possible divided by 2 (and then plus the constant based on caster levels)? or in a different variable format Y being the number of dice, and M being the highest possible number of a single dice, and C being Y times M, which ends up being a constant (the constant based on caster level). {[YxM]+Y/2}+C For example: Snowball storm: ([{43X3}+43]/2)+129 ([{129}+43]/2)+129 ([172]/2)+129 (86)+129 215 Shocking grasp: 215 (43d3+129) Electric loop: 105 (21d3+63) Lightning bolt: 215 (43d3+129) Acid: Acid spray: 150.5 (43d2+86) Acid arrow: 26 (2d4+21) Acid blast: 215 (43d3+129) Seems my base damage number for lightning bolt is different from Mew's. To find out the most probably number (aka base damage) don't you do the amount of dice, times the highest dice possible plus the lowest possible divided by 2 (and then plus the constant based on caster levels)? or in a different variable format Y being the number of dice, and M being the highest possible number of a single dice, and C being Y times M, which ends up being a constant (the constant based on caster level). {[YxM]+Y/2}+C For example: Snowball storm: ([{43X3}+43]/2)+129 ([{129}+43]/2)+129 ([172]/2)+129 (86)+129 215

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SayWhatAgain Dragon Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 236 Joined: Jul 30^th, 2014	Re: U29 pure magister sorcs are going to be awesome! Reply #19 - Nov 19^th, 2015 at 2:18am	Print Post
	Rubbinns wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 11:57am: this is so people come back, go to cap, farm new raids. then the balance nerf. where have I seen this b4? Yes, I think you nailed it.


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SayWhatAgain Dragon Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 236 Joined: Jul 30^th, 2014	Re: U29 pure magister sorcs are going to be awesome! Reply #20 - Nov 19^th, 2015 at 2:21am	Print Post
	Technomage wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 12:34pm: It's for "Legendary" difficulty quests. IKR! Heck I'd like to see this "needed" but like yourself I highly doubt it will be.


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AtomicMew Horoluth Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 2073 Joined: Jan 12^th, 2011	Re: U29 pure magister sorcs are going to be awesome! Reply #21 - Nov 19^th, 2015 at 4:01am	Print Post
	froggy wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 1:24am: Air:Electric loop: 105 (21d3+63) Lightning bolt: 215 (43d3+129) Yeah, that's right, but lightning bolt has a chance to double proc, so it's getting 1.5x caster levels, effectively. I didn't realize niac's cold ray was so high, so it might be interesting if you could get your DCs up to no fail. I think I'd still prefer air, since it has way better procs and utility. It looks like fire will have the most raw damage IMO (assuming someone else can proc vulnerability). All three SLAs in fire savant will be useful.


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CosmicCharlie Shroud Slacker Offline How do you do? Posts: 1152 Joined: Mar 3^rd, 2012	Re: U29 pure magister sorcs are going to be awesome! Reply #22 - Nov 19^th, 2015 at 6:07am	Print Post
	harharharhar wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 1:09pm: this is exciting,� though I wish they'd do more to allow for arcanes to be really important in CC, and make CC really matter more. Like instead of not-dangerous 1million HP bags, make lower HP but very dangerous mobs, or mobs that attack en masse and become very dangerous in packs. CC FTW. what does Crystal Cove have to do with this?


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	Or Cosmic Charlie, for that matter.


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	DoRayEgon wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 4:14pm: Him and Han used to knock those babies back on the Millennium Falcon and throw the cans at C3P0. You win sir!!!

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