which are the best effect a spelltouched shuriken should have?

i got a lvl24 one with

boreal

disintegration

life stealing

goodluck


life stealing is the best for that tier ok, what about the rest?

guess u right... ty

what's a good tier 2 for a tf shuriken?

Alex DeLarge wrote on Nov 29^th, 2015 at 12:24pm:


Um what? No. Touch of Flames or First degree burns. If you need a non-fire damage source go Touch of Shadows.

Paralyzing is retarded.

It's harder to get a good one, but I wouldn't say that they are worthless.

An impellent/lightning strike/hemorrhaging combo is 36.5 proc damage per hit if you average in the spellplague effects plus you can add either life-stealing, wounding, or improved paralyzing to that.

Wounding is about 12 damage per hit on any difficulty at level 24 (EN=CR25/2, EH=CR36/2*.67, EE=CR50/4)
Life stealing is a 4.95% (18-20) to 6.6% (17-20) chance to inflict 10-30% mob hp damage which is still 19.8 damage on average against against a measly 2k hp mob with the lesser crit profile and 132 damage on average against a 10k hp mob with the better crit profile.

T1 TF would be 35 for ToF plus 6.72 (aoe) if you slot a meteoric ruby plus the 5 point difference in enhancement.
(Endless night ruby instead would be +10 vs 2k hp or +50 vs 10k hp)

I don't use spell touched shuricans for standard DPS but I carry some situational useful ones with my shuricanon.  An “aligned” one with some “all purpose” damage procs like good, impellent, brilliance or force burst as a first imbue and slicing wind, disintegration, corrosive salt or steam as a second imbue is quite handy as you can use it on all DR/alignment mobs in the game. Good/holy + silver/cold iron can be useful too if you don’t have better DR breakers, at least I wouldn't throw those away. For constructs improved destruction + adamantine + damage mods that are not elemental (heals some kinds of golems) are not bad either. 15% fortification bypass for the whole group adds some damage.

Farm fire phlogs for crippling flames instead?

5 Foot Step wrote on Dec 1^st, 2015 at 12:26am:


but sdince you cannot count on any of the effects of spellplague, I don't think anyone should be using one over a TF if they have the choice

Orange Flash wrote on Nov 29^th, 2015 at 8:35am:

Alex DeLarge wrote on Nov 29^th, 2015 at 12:24pm:

harharharhar wrote on Nov 30^th, 2015 at 9:37pm:

Distributed wrote on Nov 30^th, 2015 at 10:10pm:

harharharhar wrote on Dec 1^st, 2015 at 11:51am:

Which he clearly put as first choice in his suggestions, that were directly related to the question.

harharharhar wrote on Dec 1^st, 2015 at 11:52am:


I don't know what you're on about. Spelltouched/spellplague adds about 12.5 damage per throw.  It adds four random procs to a ML24 thrower every time you attack with it. True they are sometimes worthless, that's why I took the average value as per the wiki's spading.

http://ddowiki.com/page/Spelltouched

Spell touched = 12.5+7+9.15+9+19.8
TF = 35+5+6.72

57.45>46.72

With spell touched adding about 12.5 damage per throw a more or less ideal shuriken will also have a good 2d6 proc (7 damage) a good greensteel style proc (9.15 damage). Those will show up on almost every one you craft. The rare combo that you are looking for is hemorrhaging for 9 average damage(because that's the only dps enchantment in that effect pool) and either life-stealing or wounding.

Which assuming each effect has the same chance of spawning is a 1 out of 9 chance plus a 2 out of 18 chance. Which is about a 1 in 81 probability of getting a better than T1 TF. Unless you also accept Imp Paralyzing instead, then it's about 1 in 54.

It's a hell of a grind. I understand that. Even though the challenges are worth doing once for xp each life I still don't have any ideal weapons. A good Life-stealing shuriken would be worth it for EEs until you hit 28 though.

harharharhar wrote on Dec 1^st, 2015 at 11:22pm:


LOL.

harharharhar wrote on Dec 1^st, 2015 at 11:22pm:


Difference in damage is HU-U-U-U-U-U-GE considering it's 1d2 base.

5 Foot Step wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2015 at 12:21am:




























PS.: You rolled a 1 (+0) on your sarcasm skill 

thx guys i understand more things about shurikens now