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Orange Flash Waterworks Kobold Offline Can you get the citation? Posts: 159 Location: Japan Joined: Dec 1^st, 2014	best melee build atm Dec 4^th, 2015 at 10:02am	Print Post
	which is the best melee build atm (don't say tree ) i would like to build up a melee toon on my completionist, but i'm out of fantasy... i like bards ranger and barbs, so don't suggest pally pls


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Tilo Ex Member	Re: best melee build atm Reply #1 - Dec 4^th, 2015 at 10:32am	Print Post
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DoRayEgon Shroud Slacker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1042 Joined: Apr 4^th, 2014	Re: best melee build atm Reply #2 - Dec 4^th, 2015 at 10:42am	Print Post
	Melee 1)Tree build - Many different designs. Search for them. 2)Wolf Druid - Again many different builds. Search them. 3)Bard - 12/6/2, 14/4/2, 15/3/2 Bard/Fighter/Rogue Swashbucklers. Also 20 Bard Warchanter Icebreaker. 4)Paladin - 20 or 18/2x Vanguard and KotC are viable. 5)Barbarian- 20 or 18/2x or 18/1x/1x are viable. 6)Ranger- 20 Ranger Tempest or 15/4 Paladin(Fighter)/1x Tempest for more defense. I also include 15 Paladin/5 Ranger Tempest here (these are probably the strongest, esp. without past lives).


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Orange Flash Waterworks Kobold Offline Can you get the citation? Posts: 159 Location: Japan Joined: Dec 1^st, 2014	Re: best melee build atm Reply #3 - Dec 4^th, 2015 at 10:54am	Print Post
	what about a 15 bard 4 lock 1 fvs? the idea is to have tier 5 warchanter, tier 4 ES for light proc and using it on swf (its ap expansive so maybe no swash buckler but kopesh swf) then at 28 the combo for trash would be spinning ice hellball energy burst, on boss would be slower tho...


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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: best melee build atm Reply #4 - Dec 4^th, 2015 at 11:40am	Print Post
	DoRayEgon wrote on Dec 4^th, 2015 at 10:42am: Melee 1)Tree build - Many different designs.� Search for them. 2)Wolf Druid - Again many different builds.� Search them. 3)Bard - 12/6/2, 14/4/2, 15/3/2 Bard/Fighter/Rogue Swashbucklers.� Also 20 Bard Warchanter Icebreaker. 4)Paladin - 20 or 18/2x Vanguard and KotC are viable.� 5)Barbarian- 20 or 18/2x or 18/1x/1x are viable. 6)Ranger- 20 Ranger Tempest or 15/4 Paladin(Fighter)/1x Tempest for more defense.� I also include 15 Paladin/5 Ranger Tempest here (these are probably the strongest, esp. without past lives). All of these are viable. Also, a rogue assassin can be a lot of fun. The straight 20's or 18/2. Also, I'm sure someone has figured out a way to blend rogue with DWS and tempest to create a real killer. I've not toyed with it. But probably 12-14 ranger levels and 5 rogue levels, minimum. Maybe throw in some fighter for feats and a little defense, but your AP is going to be beyond tight. I don't think you can go the other way and have more rogue levels than ranger because you need either 12 ranger or 18 rogue to get the crit profiles you need.


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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: best melee build atm Reply #5 - Dec 4^th, 2015 at 11:46am	Print Post
	Orange Flash wrote on Dec 4^th, 2015 at 10:54am: what about a 15 bard 4 lock 1 fvs? the idea is to have tier 5 warchanter, tier 4 ES for light proc and using it on swf (its ap expansive so maybe no swash buckler but kopesh swf) then at 28 the combo for trash would be spinning ice hellball energy burst, on boss would be slower tho... 4 Warlock is a great splash for any melee build that isn't heavily constrained on AP. You can get 5% heal amp, immunity to fear, 16 PRR and 16 MRR, +3 AC, +15 HP, +30 Light Spell Power, +12 Universal, Eldritch Burst, Ongoing aura damage, +3d6 light damage per melee hit (Affected by spell power). For mid 20's of AP spend. If you go into Soul Eater, you can get some Melee Power and chaotic damage per hit for little AP spend. Monk seems to be a great fit. And Fighter. Considering how shitty their AP trees are atm.


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DoRayEgon Shroud Slacker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1042 Joined: Apr 4^th, 2014	Re: best melee build atm Reply #6 - Dec 4^th, 2015 at 12:03pm	Print Post
	Asheras wrote on Dec 4^th, 2015 at 11:40am: All of these are viable.� Also, a rogue assassin can be a lot of fun.� The straight 20's or 18/2.� Also, I'm sure someone has figured out a way to blend rogue with DWS and tempest to create a real killer.� I've not toyed with it.� But probably 12-14 ranger levels and 5 rogue levels, minimum.� Maybe throw in some fighter for feats and a little defense, but your AP is going to be beyond tight.� I don't think you can go the other way and have more rogue levels than ranger because you need either 12 ranger or 18 rogue to get the crit profiles you need.� � I tried 12 Ranger 5 Rogue 3 Fighter dex based. 36 Tempest 21 DWS 12 Assassin 6 StD 5 pts to whatever. I don't know if it was optimal, but it was effective. I think it had about 9 sneak attack dice w/o gear.


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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: best melee build atm Reply #7 - Dec 4^th, 2015 at 12:27pm	Print Post
	DoRayEgon wrote on Dec 4^th, 2015 at 12:03pm: I tried 12 Ranger 5 Rogue 3 Fighter dex based. 36 Tempest 21 DWS 12 Assassin 6� StD 5 pts to whatever.� I don't know if it was optimal, but it was effective.� I think it had about 9 sneak attack dice w/o gear. Depends on what you are trying to do. Rogues typically own the trash, but lose to Barbs, Pallys, and now rangers on the bosses/single targets.


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spathic Stocky Greenis Offline Taunting the stupid since before you were born. Posts: 1623 Location: Shenandoah valley Joined: Mar 2^nd, 2012 Gender:	Re: best melee build atm Reply #8 - Dec 4^th, 2015 at 12:45pm	Print Post
	Asheras wrote on Dec 4^th, 2015 at 11:40am: � I don't think you can go the other way � I think you're supposed to tell people they DO go the other way on these boards. I'm contemplating doing an Assassin/Tempest/DWS split with more rogue levels just for the past life without a +5 heart. You're right that the critical profile from Ranger core abilities would be hard to pass up, but the extra sneak dice plus double strike from opportunist would close the gap a little at least.

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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: best melee build atm Reply #9 - Dec 4^th, 2015 at 2:01pm	Print Post
	why even melee? roll a mech, thrower, or shiradi. take 96% less damage while killing everything as fast or faster.

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Wipe VoD Slasher Offline Posts: 1917 Joined: Mar 26^th, 2012 Gender:	Re: best melee build atm Reply #10 - Dec 4^th, 2015 at 2:48pm	Print Post
	Asheras wrote on Dec 4^th, 2015 at 11:40am: All of these are viable. Also, a rogue assassin can be a lot of fun.� The straight 20's or 18/2.� It's fun, yes. And useless compared to other options. I'd say thf barb is the best melee.
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Flipton Ex Member	Re: best melee build atm Reply #11 - Dec 4^th, 2015 at 3:40pm	Print Post
	Warchanter/barb/tempest elf scims


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ILoveExploits Horoluth Raider Offline I Love Exploits! Posts: 2157 Location: piking @ work Joined: Oct 31^st, 2013 Gender:	Re: best melee build atm Reply #12 - Dec 4^th, 2015 at 3:58pm	Print Post
	Rubbinns wrote on Dec 4^th, 2015 at 2:01pm: why even melee? roll a mech, thrower, or shiradi. take 96% less damage while killing everything as fast or faster. This, theres no point to go melee. Specially with new shit incoming.

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5 Foot Step Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Hate Idiots! Posts: 11119 Location: USA Joined: Mar 8^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: best melee build atm Reply #13 - Dec 5^th, 2015 at 1:06am	Print Post
	10/6/4 wolf pure TWF Barb pure THF Pally pure TWF Ranger any build Swash

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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: best melee build atm Reply #14 - Dec 5^th, 2015 at 6:37pm	Print Post
	Rubbinns wrote on Dec 4^th, 2015 at 2:01pm: why even melee? roll a mech, thrower, or shiradi. take 96% less damage while killing everything as fast or faster. Because it's fun to kill shit with swords (and axes. Shagga likes axes). And if you have more than one toon, making two of the same thing seems redundant. I'm playing a pally, a warlock, a ranger, and a barb. The ranger is just for trying out new stuff and the barb and warlock are getting PL's. Typically the barb is my ranged character.


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5 Foot Step Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Hate Idiots! Posts: 11119 Location: USA Joined: Mar 8^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: best melee build atm Reply #15 - Dec 5^th, 2015 at 11:43pm	Print Post
	Asheras wrote on Dec 5^th, 2015 at 6:37pm: Because it's fun to kill shit with swords (and axes.� Shagga likes axes).� And if you have more than one toon, making two of the same thing seems redundant. I'm playing a pally, a warlock, a ranger, and a barb.� The ranger is just for trying out new stuff and the barb and warlock are getting PL's.� Typically the barb is my ranged character.� Yeah that's pretty much the reason to have alts.

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Orange Flash Waterworks Kobold Offline Can you get the citation? Posts: 159 Location: Japan Joined: Dec 1^st, 2014	Re: best melee build atm Reply #16 - Dec 6^th, 2015 at 4:18pm	Print Post
	Quote: Warchanter/barb/tempest elf scims� this sounds interesting!!! how would it be tho?? 12 ranger 5 bard 3 barb? ... idk with 7 bard you can also have displacement but with 1 barb is useless as a split... and even 3 i don't see a real benefit how would you do that?


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painkiller Waterworks Kobold Offline Posts: 188 Joined: May 14^th, 2013	Re: best melee build atm Reply #17 - Dec 8^th, 2015 at 8:23am	Print Post
	DoRayEgon wrote on Dec 4^th, 2015 at 10:42am: Also 20 Bard Warchanter Icebreaker. which is better for this? THF? SWF? TWF? the motherboards were inconclusive


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DoRayEgon Shroud Slacker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1042 Joined: Apr 4^th, 2014	Re: best melee build atm Reply #18 - Dec 8^th, 2015 at 10:30am	Print Post
	painkiller wrote on Dec 8^th, 2015 at 8:23am: which is better for this?� THF? SWF? TWF?� the motherboards were inconclusive I played it as THF and I've seen people have success with SWF. TWF I haven't seen used but most people want to cleave on the build making TWF the weakest.


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gibbon Dragon Raider Offline smhma in a cube Posts: 256 Joined: Sep 10^th, 2014	Re: best melee build atm Reply #19 - Dec 8^th, 2015 at 12:14pm	Print Post
	painkiller wrote on Dec 8^th, 2015 at 8:23am: which is better for this?� THF? SWF? TWF?� the motherboards were inconclusive TWF - Pretty sure the single target ice freeze will roll twice with TWF, but that's probably redundant since the whole point is to get the freeze dc stupidly high. THF - The priority is the frozen cleave (can't decide between freave and cleeze). You want to hit multiple mobs while they're frozen so glancing blows. SWF - You will still have AP for Swashbuckler. Swishboobler is a pretty good deal but then you have to make up the aoe some other way. Cleave, Great Cleave, splash warlock, barb or even EK (yuck), get cleaves from ED's, E-Burst. I am finally doing a Blue Cheese build next life. Or maybe name it John Cleeze. PDK shortsword SWF.


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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: best melee build atm Reply #20 - Dec 8^th, 2015 at 3:24pm	Print Post
	painkiller wrote on Dec 8^th, 2015 at 8:23am: which is better for this?� THF? SWF? TWF?� the motherboards were inconclusive I really liked SWF when I did it on the Bard Swash/Warchanter Ice Spec.


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Digimonk Puppy Farmer Offline Posts: 1573 Joined: Apr 7^th, 2015	Re: best melee build atm Reply #21 - Dec 9^th, 2015 at 1:25pm	Print Post
	spathic wrote on Dec 4^th, 2015 at 12:45pm: � I think you're supposed to tell people they DO go the other way on these boards. I'm contemplating doing an Assassin/Tempest/DWS split with more rogue levels just for the past life without a +5 heart. You're right that the critical profile from Ranger core abilities would be hard to pass up, but the extra sneak dice plus double strike from opportunist would close the gap a little at least. You can gain the +1 threat and multipliers via the Assassin T5 Knife Specialization if you stick with daggers.� I'm not sure if it is worth giving up tier 5 Tempest, but if you're leaning towards assassination and sneak attack, it might be worth a shot and won't make you so dependent on the ranger levels. One perk of going with daggers is that you will have lots of good, easily accessible options to play with as you level up. Sky Pirate's Dagger - ML4 Assassin's Kiss - ML7 Nightforge Stiletto - ML8 Sheridan's Wrack - ML8 Threnalian War Dagger - ML8 Flint - ML10 GS - ML12 Guardian of the Liturgy - ML12 Slice / Dice - ML14 Sacrificial Dagger - ML20 Blade of the High Priestess - ML21 TF tier 1/2 - ML22 / 24 Agony - ML23 Epic Assassin's Kiss - ML26 Epic Slice / Dice - ML28
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Vaultaccount Stormreaver Piker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 624 Joined: Apr 29^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: best melee build atm Reply #22 - Dec 10^th, 2015 at 10:39am	Print Post
	Trees are the superior mlee by far. Next is THF barb or bugged wolf. TWF barb also works but is terrible against trash, so do that only if you accept to suck on that matter.


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kum-gulp VoD Slasher Offline I Love Tired Vault Memes! Posts: 1809 Joined: Jul 16^th, 2010	Re: best melee build atm Reply #23 - Dec 10^th, 2015 at 11:24am	Print Post
	U wot? TWF Barb is far from terrible.


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5 Foot Step Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Hate Idiots! Posts: 11119 Location: USA Joined: Mar 8^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: best melee build atm Reply #24 - Dec 11^th, 2015 at 12:38am	Print Post
	Vaultaccount wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 10:39am: TWF barb also works but is terrible against trash, so do that only if you accept to suck on that matter. Lern2castigate, noob.

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