Yup! I've been banging around on my Mech and now I'm just capping a pure DWS version to compare with, will keep both of them capped and run some comparative raids and such.  Pretty fun though, BTW kudos on the 150 hide.

What's funny is mechanics didn't need any DPS boosts. And then they added insightful skills in the loot pass.

Who are these idiots playing repeater builds?  A fucking wf/bf wiz with 1 rog level can get all the traps in the game AND has far superior DPS; do these people think they're winning DDO?

Grand wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 12:13pm:


Sorry to have to tell you G, it's going to get worse for you and Ethereal will just make the gap bigger. The pure archer build is on the bottom of the pecking order now, AA, DWS, doesn't matter. Only just ahead of a axe throwing Dwarf build at this point.


[] wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 12:28pm:


Oh do shut up, and read next time, because this thread isn't about repeaters it's about mechanics and hide. Come to think of it you really shouldn't be posting in the build section at all, considering you don't know how manyshot works, or Drow spell resistance. Noob.

harharharhar wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 2:13pm:



Sounds interesting. But if you do take Scion of Ethereal, just don't forget to grab the 'sneak of shadows' past life feat for another +30 hide, and +18 sneak attack damage as well, that's another 28 points of Sneak Attack damage scaling with Ranged power.  Best part is that it lasts for a full minute three times daily, and renews with TF invigoration.

How much DPS would you say it costs you to get to 150 hide?

Doggydaddy wrote on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 2:42am:


How much ranged power are you able to sustain? When I ran the numbers previously it looked like around 120 was the break even point between Ethereal and Arborea IIRC.

I love lining up multiple targets for Pin shot.. to be honest, I was never really a fan of Improved Precise while I was an Arti.. but my Mechanic only uses Archer Stance when I'm up high and just have too many great opportunities and know I wont have to bother with moving LOLZ

I have been playing with some ideas this week and I got my hide up to 193 peak, and near constant 163. using feats, twists, class, gear, LGS, consumables.

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It's only +25 damage iirc, but yeah, combined with Scion of Ethereal it's really strong, about +40 damage after ranged/melee power which really adds up over three minutes.

5 Foot Step wrote on Jan 9^th, 2016 at 10:21am:


Skills don't really eat into DPS... I don't know what OP is doing but you can break 100 easy when you're getting 66 from ranks/epic levels and tier2 LGS item alone.

Human DWS ranger, lv 30, running in LD, or whatever, not dependent on a specific ED, but I do enjoy the Blitz range power so I run with that most of the time currently.

23 ranks in hide
10 Epic ranks hide
5  Skill tome
3  DWS, stealthy
1 Rogue past life, sneak of shadows +1 all skills
5 Epic hide
3 Ship buff Danger room, +3 hide
5 Hiding in plain sight, ranger lev 17
15 twist, in the weeds
10 Camouflage spell, circumstance
4 Ghostly, enhancement available various items, I use TF armor for some reason only gives +4
4 Greater heroism
22 Competence
11 insightful
6 Quality
20 Shadow cookies, from my stock of 4k, +20 untyped buff.
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147 base
+
23  Dexterity stat bonus, Dex at 57
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170 normal rolling around
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30 Sneak of Shadows past life, 3 X day at 1 min run time
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+4 Scion of Ethereal
204 For special heavy use

Currently I'm banging around with a 167/197 because I'm not sold on paying for that last 6 quality in Tier III and I keep forgetting to load my Imperial blood. 

Now I could go higher,

Consumables; I could use tensors, and Hezrou cookies, for more dex but I like to cast (so screw hezrou) and casting tensors gets on my tits pretty quickly, whereas chowing on the shadow cookies gives me the +20 hide, and 25% incorp, and I don't have to unequip my bow to eat it. So I use them, an additional benefit is the cosmetic change of the toon when I'm using the shadow cookies, I see the toon change back the moment they run out instead of tracking the tooltip at the top of the pages so I tend to keep shadow running a lot more consistently.   

Gear; I could squeeze in a +4 guild aug but waiting until after Cannith pass to look at that, I have skullduggery kit with +10 dodge which I do use from time to time, but it and the Manual of S.P. seem like wasted slots on my Ranger so I dont.

ED's; I usually run in LD, EA, or Crusader.  As far my sacrificing  use of ED's for this build I only use one twist for this build, that's it. At end game I can easily afford the one twist even a lev 4 twist. I could twist in SD's stealthy for another +6 but I tend to use my other slots to bump my Arcane Arrow's DC numbers, and use the last for utility. The +6 isn't worth it right now but I could add it.

Stats; I could definitely push my dex higher with Enhancements and feats but I tend to put my tree points into buffing my Wis for DC, and only use the level ups for Dex, so I kind of split the difference to keep the toon from being too one-sided.



So with all that I could buff up to a theoretical 234, but at that point it would have affected DPS, so why bother.

5 Foot Step wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2016 at 7:05pm:



12 of one half dozen of another I guess eh? 

And for sure I wasn't starved for feats on the Ranger, but my Mech buys the sneak of shadows every time, but I don't buy Epic hide on the mech. Another factor is that my Ranger has piles of R.P. even outside of LD because I capstoned him as well. 

Anyway I updated for my theoretical, I almost forgot Ethereal gives another +4 skills on it's on as well.  I like weeds because it gives the +6 running or not, and I since I'm pure DWS capped I tend to pick a spot and unload so the additional +9 shows up before H.I.P.S. fills.  I also like the gravy dodge +6 buff I.T.W. gives. As for something like piercing clarity, I already have 70% fort bypass build in, ghost touch built in, and I have truesight from multiple source, meaning there is little reason to take it. I choose In the weeds because it can give me something that I can't get or duplicate outside of it (stackable +15 Hide, and 6 dodge), That's what I tend to use my twists for, instead of things I can duplicate by items and such. Granted without running Scion of Ethereal there would be little point, but with it, hide has a lot of payoff.

I just wish they had left it at 2/1 instead of changing it.