So thanks to the loverly new years bonus, I am sitting at a comfortable level 26 and feel it is time to run legendary shroud. Are people running it on lvl 26s or do you really need to be 29/30?

Also, since I haven't seen a whole ton of LFMs up I was going to start my own. Is this one of those "only elite fills" type raids or will people hit an LFM on lower difficulties?

It depends from your approach. If you expect to tackle the legendary version as the heroic with auto win then you're gonna get your ass handed to you very quickly and multiple times

On LH I found people that would normally eat most EE quests would die against a couple of troglodytes. Be confident in your dps but don't make the mistake of aggroing 10 mobs at once and think you can come out winner with a few scratches. The only thing that kinda surprised me is the sheer amount of hp of crystals and the "cat". Maybe it's just me but the cat from phase 2 hits like dragons from thunder peak high on adrenaline. Go get 'em  tiger 

26 is a bit soft, but as pnelleson said,  1 or 2 in the party won't hurt.  Most people are running LH.  LN yields about 1/2 the mats.  That is especially important for the large chests.  Most LN runs give 1, LH gives 2. 

The problem is that a party that is too weak on dps will be REALLY SLOW in Phase 1.  You can spend 30 minutes in there vs. 14-15.  And Phase 2 can be a real time eater too.  Those guys have around 300-400k HP per. 

I also see a lot of lower levels coming in unprepared.  Not doing any good/alignment damage on the portals, not breaking devil/Harry DR.  Not breaking the Rakshasa's DR, not breaking the Book's DR.

If you don't have an arti, make sure people are bringing gear that works.  It's been a while since this has been an issue, but if you are running lower levels then you surely want to bypass that 100-250 points of DR these mobs have.   

LH is the way to go, but only if you have the group to do it right.  Personally, I avoid LN.   It feels like I'm wasting the run to get so few mats.  But I'd rather run LN than run LH with a questionable group.  Spending 90 minutes doing what should take 40-45 is really awful. 

noamineo wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 4:25pm:


You can't break portal DR.  DR is 100 on hard.  Immune to all elemental damage (fire, ice, lightning, acid, sonic).  But good/force/alignment/negative damage hits for full.  So weapons with those add on effects are the best.  A triple positive GS weapon is what people used to smack them with.  A Mortal Fear weapon with 8d8 of force damage per hit wouldn't be bad.  Even a T2 TF weapon with two slots of negative damage would be better than a lot of what I am seeing being swung.  Also, any destinies, enhancements or feats that add light damage, force damage, law or chaos, etc. would be good.

Devil DR breakers are great, since there are devils and fiends everywhere.  That is still Silver + Good.  A lot of the sub bosses just need good, but Harry needs Silver and Good.

The Rakshasa is Pierce + Good.  If you aren't piercing, then bring some add on damage effects that make up for your lack of DR Breaking.

The Codex is Chaotic.  DR is around 90 on Hard. 

They made the DR numbers high enough that it really slows you down if you aren't breaking it.  Not that it means you will fail, per se, just that it will eat up a lot of time and really make the quest feel like a slog.

DoRayEgon wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 4:54pm:


Have seen a similar issue with HoX, although it is a bit easier to grasp.

I was not aware how many new players, even end gamers, there are who are new since MoTU.  Many players who are new since MoTU haven't run any of the heroic raids.  They use the flaggers for XP, but haven't stepped foot in Shroud, HoX, VoD, ToD, Titan, Reavers, Ascension Chamber.

PersonaNonGrata wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 5:17pm:


Honestly, if they were changing 1 part of this thing, part 1 was the part to change.  Not Part 5.  Drop the portal HP by 50% (or more).  Have them spawn trash 3-4 times as fast with more portals active at once.  Make the party split up to keep trash under control and beat down the portals.  Give the party some tough choices between portal killing teams and trash management teams. 

Make it so that you can complete part 1 in 4-5 minutes (About 15 seconds per portal beat down) with a good group, and 10 minutes with a bad group.  And if it gets longer than that, you might wipe with a red alert under a mountain of trash.  Unless you went with a conservative strategy of 8-9 trash clearers and only 3-4 portal killers. 

But no.  We have the same 2-3 mobs per portal that don't scare anyone.  The very rare portal keeper.  And the portals that are just huge sacks of HP with no threat.  It's a 12-20 minute time sink with zero challenge.

[] wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 5:45pm:

That's adorable. The Vault's armchair quarterback is trying to tell US what to do.

noamineo wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 4:25pm:
Amrath, DoJ ?
Quote:

TF breaks silver DR. Slap good into one slot or twist stay good.But you should use twists for better things like Grims and such.
Assassin trick/wracking shots against portals, ellies, bosses.

[] wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 6:10pm:


I picked you as more likely being a catcher than a pitcher...

string table error, tableDID wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 2:58am:


Only if you don't have Blessed Blades twisted in
I like my Falling Stars too much for that.

I don't plan on running Shroud with the stupid mainstream MMO thing where you buff up enemy HP and dmg.

I'll just keep doing TRs on my main and get my 10 lvl 28 alts to lvl 30.

two letters : LH

at last that's the difficulty the Swords do it.
Best time/reward ratio, and it allows us to have people not familiar with the raids ( yes that exist ) in the party.

Gonna go shopin for a Portal beater then, and slap a Good aug on my bow for Harry. The book is going to be a might bit harder, I'm Lawful so I can't pick up a Chaotic weapon. I could craft something with Aligned, but how much DPS would I loose just trying to bypass the DR? Frickin neg levels, bitch.