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Re: Zergod5.0-Magic Missiles Revisited-Wiz/FVS/Warlock
Reply #25 - Jan 8th, 2016 at 6:02pm
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AtomicMew wrote on Jan 8th, 2016 at 2:56pm:
This build is superior to ruin king.  Ruin king is all about the big crit number, but this build is more consistent.

1) 20% extra crit damage is much less of an increase now, due to other crit multiplier increases.  In fact, it's pretty much matched by the 4% crit from T4 AoV.  Math:

Assume 70% base crit chance
Base 2.95 crit multiplier for this build (MOK, scion of fire, core 2 TS)

0.2 crit multi increase for ruin king = 5.9% dps increase
4% crit chance increase for this build = 3.3% dps increase

So the 20% crit damage increase is almost completely matched by two more FvS levels. 

2) This build has a much easier time gearing out (no 3pc abishai required).  With new gear and greensteel, I don't see how you can fit 3pc abishai effectively.

3) More chain missiles - although CM is still majorly bugged, it's clear that you get more procs with more caster levels. 


Smiley All great points. Im glad someone gets it hehe. I also just like wizards. Gearing out is not a concern though. I have 5 piece abishai along with all of the loots, and I will grind for whatever. I ran DoJ back to back until I got my gloves.
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Reply #26 - Jan 8th, 2016 at 6:03pm
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PS... Legendary Aspect of Ash Kama? What do people think? 50% chance to debuff MRR per a missile...also int all over it as a fringe benefit
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Reply #27 - Jan 9th, 2016 at 9:58am
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rubbins you doin potency on gloves?
am havin a hard time fitting it in with the earth/earth/earthearth boomstick
  

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Reply #28 - Jan 9th, 2016 at 11:57am
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WonderfulFoppyBint wrote on Jan 9th, 2016 at 9:58am:
rubbins you doin potency on gloves

Either Sage Ring or TF kama 100. Sage Ring seems better now that LGS replaces TF kama.
  

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Reply #29 - Jan 9th, 2016 at 1:02pm
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Reply #30 - Jan 9th, 2016 at 2:31pm
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Rubbinns wrote on Jan 9th, 2016 at 11:57am:
Either Sage Ring or TF kama 100. Sage Ring seems better now that LGS replaces TF kama.

ya sages ring was my plan. PS steam is very nice. ash is junk. does nothing on 0 mrr mobs
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Reply #31 - Jan 9th, 2016 at 4:10pm
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Rings slots are too valuable IMO (Dire ring and lantern ring).  Other decent options for potency slots are belt of seven ideals (+80) halcyon boots (+80) dragon cloak (+76).
  
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Reply #32 - Jan 9th, 2016 at 7:22pm
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AtomicMew wrote on Jan 9th, 2016 at 4:10pm:
Rings slots are too valuable IMO (Dire ring and lantern ring).  Other decent options for potency slots are belt of seven ideals (+80) halcyon boots (+80) dragon cloak (+76). 

this is my problem also.
  
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Reply #33 - Jan 9th, 2016 at 11:32pm
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Don't listen to this guy.

I saw this build in action and it's literally the worst.




























































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Reply #34 - Jan 10th, 2016 at 3:55am
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potential gear changes:

goggles-legendary shroud dominion something
helmet- legendary boundless
necklace- legendary shroud dominion something
trinket- manual of stealthy pilfering
cloak-constructs mantle
belt- epic chord of reprisals
gloves-arcane soldier
boots-legendary dominion something
ring1-dire resonating impulse
ring2-lantern
wrist-legendary shroud escalation sp/int skills
docent-hardy docent of impulse
wep1-glaciation/con7/mrr kama aspect of steam
wep2-mrr/mrr/con2 aspect of steam---possibly  vacuum or something else that will do dps/increase dps but have int on it
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Reply #35 - Jan 10th, 2016 at 9:29am
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Sergod wrote on Jan 10th, 2016 at 3:55am:
potential gear changes:

goggles-conc opp heroic greensteel with sp
helmet- legendary boundless
necklace- legendary shroud dominion something
trinket- manual of stealthy pilfering
cloak-constructs mantle
belt- legendary shroud dominion omething
gloves-arcane soldier
boots-legendary dominion something
ring1-dire resonating impulse
ring2-lantern
wrist-legendary shroud escalation sp/int skills
docent-epic blue dragon docent
wep1-glaciation/con7/mrr kama aspect of steam
wep2-con14/mrr/con2 aspect of steam---possibly  vacuum or something else that will do dps/increase dps but have int on it


Ditching Resonation?
  

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Reply #36 - Jan 10th, 2016 at 10:07am
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5 Foot Step wrote on Jan 10th, 2016 at 9:29am:
Ditching Resonation?

have to fit that 4 piece somehow Sad
  
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Sergod wrote on Jan 10th, 2016 at 10:07am:
have to fit that 4 piece somehow Sad


Maybe drop the heroic greensteel? ConOpp is not so great when the raid boss can hit for 4k.
  

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Reply #38 - Jan 10th, 2016 at 1:05pm
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Used to think like that then figured probably getting hit either way so may as well get occasional free SP when it happens.
  
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Reply #39 - Jan 10th, 2016 at 2:21pm
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Sergod wrote on Jan 10th, 2016 at 3:55am:
potential gear changes:

goggles-conc opp heroic greensteel with sp
helmet- legendary boundless
necklace- legendary shroud dominion something
trinket- manual of stealthy pilfering
cloak-constructs mantle
belt- legendary shroud dominion omething
gloves-arcane soldier
boots-legendary dominion something
ring1-dire resonating impulse
ring2-lantern
wrist-legendary shroud escalation sp/int skills
docent-epic blue dragon docent
wep1-glaciation/con7/mrr kama aspect of steam
wep2-con14/mrr/con2 aspect of steam---possibly  vacuum or something else that will do dps/increase dps but have int on it


consider dropping cloak for a LGS so you free up a neck slot for Embers. quality int 3 and some repair hamp doesnt seem better than 17% to all spells.

Possibly drop goggles for cannoneer's for 10% magical efficiency. Does it stack with epic level 30 10% reduction?
  

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Reply #40 - Jan 10th, 2016 at 6:41pm
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the crit is useless. will only help hellball. you understand how crit works for shiradi...right? i dropped goggles for leg shroud and put epic chord of resonance back. the repair amp is the difference in a 1 hit heal recon and a 3/4 heal recon.
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Reply #41 - Jan 10th, 2016 at 7:13pm
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Sergod wrote on Jan 10th, 2016 at 6:41pm:
will only help hellball.

and energy burst/DFB as well.

Sergod wrote on Jan 10th, 2016 at 6:41pm:
1 hit heal recon and a 3/4 heal recon.

every 6 seconds? you also have the option of taking recon spell to have 2 heals in that case. besides healing for 800 is fine. 1k doesnt make that slot attractive over almost anything else.
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Reply #42 - Jan 10th, 2016 at 8:11pm
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dont use burt or dfb. as for the recon SLA its garbage. no AP for that shiz. not spending 7ap on it.
  
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Reply #43 - Jan 11th, 2016 at 12:51pm
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Rubbinns wrote on Jan 10th, 2016 at 2:21pm:
Possibly drop goggles for cannoneer's for 10% magical efficiency. Does it stack with epic level 30 10% reduction?

But we have endless sp pots....
  

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ILoveExploits wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 12:51pm:
But we have endless sp pots....

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Reply #45 - Jan 11th, 2016 at 11:03pm
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Sergod wrote on Jan 10th, 2016 at 8:11pm:
dont use burt or dfb

you definitely should. against non-evasion mobs with an int in mid 50s you can get a decent DC for them. The cooldowns on Wiz MM/SLA, CM/SLA is quite long. using bursts, fireballs, blasts is better for AoE rotations than just Hellball/CM into wait.

Sergod wrote on Jan 10th, 2016 at 8:11pm:
as for the recon SLA its garbage. no AP for that shiz. not spending 7ap on it.

I would. Little 7 AP isn't going to make the build OMG uber cannot give them up. I'd rather have an emergency recon while using Scribing as a main.
  

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Rubbinns wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 11:03pm:
you definitely should. against non-evasion mobs with an int in mid 50s you can get a decent DC for them. The cooldowns on Wiz MM/SLA, CM/SLA is quite long. using bursts, fireballs, blasts is better for AoE rotations than just Hellball/CM into wait.

I would. Little 7 AP isn't going to make the build OMG uber cannot give them up. I'd rather have an emergency recon while using Scribing as a main.

2 chain missiles arcane blast and hellball for aoe.
  
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Sergod wrote on Jan 12th, 2016 at 12:33am:
2 chain missiles arcane blast and hellball

still a weaker rotation than including energy burst and fireball/acid blast.

Is anyone else randomly losing all caster levels on spells? I have been casting 16 second displacements and recons for 100. Multiple times today from level 17 to 21.
  

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Rubbinns wrote on Jan 23rd, 2016 at 10:39am:
still a weaker rotation than including energy burst and fireball/acid blast.

Is anyone else randomly losing all caster levels on spells? I have been casting 16 second displacements and recons for 100. Multiple times today from level 17 to 21.

Yes I was. I'm a DC instakill  warlock now. GS nerf pissed me off. Fireball/acid blast are garbage for sp efficiency and damage. Single proc lol
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Sergod wrote on Jan 25th, 2016 at 12:26am:
Fireball/acid blast are garbage for sp efficiency and damage. Single proc lol

leaves you with less aoe dps between cooldowns. especially on a wizard caster.

also sonic blast.

then there is single target rotations including scorching ray and forst lance.

but, anyway, you were getting no caster level casts? been randomly experiencing this and i dont know what causes it. it happens on any spell randomly.
  

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