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Jan 13th, 2016 at 6:26pm
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So there's a guy I've run into a couple of times on Argo who wiil, in a party, casually bitch to you the whole time about how his rogue is "bugged" and how he rolls too many 1s, has "photographic proof", and won't shut up about it.

Anyone else know who I'm talking about? I've partied with him at least once or twice(never on his apparently bugged rogue). Friggin annoying.
  

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Reply #1 - Jan 13th, 2016 at 8:01pm
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Photographic proof. It's fantastic. I keep trying to think of what the fuck he's taking pictures of.
  

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Reply #2 - Jan 13th, 2016 at 8:55pm
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I don't know but i saw 1 four times in a row in my combat log already.
  

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Reply #3 - Jan 13th, 2016 at 8:59pm
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I feel like if you have nothing better to do with your life than screen shot your combat log, collect thousands of records, do the math of the game engine for yourself, and then crunch the numbers... you probably deserve to roll statistically too many 1s.
  

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Reply #4 - Jan 13th, 2016 at 10:30pm
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I have a personal best of seven (7) ones (1's) in a row for my rogue.

I have many runs into double digits where the rolls never got above 4.

I considered that:

A) My luck was shitty
B) I should log and bug report it
C) It's rigged deliberately by the coders
D) The random number generator is borked

Then I realized it's Turbine and got over it, because fail is SOP there, and bad luck happens.

tl;dr- That dude's a twat.
  

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He posted a thread on the forums.  His proof was a SS of two 1's in a row, which is 1/400 and should therefore never happen  Roll Eyes
  
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Yeah, posted by THIS guy, fuck face.

https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/467268-Absolutely-game-breaking-dice-b...

What's worse? Posting about something that clearly has a 1's on doublestrike? Or bitching about some guy bitching?

Noamineo, you must be really bored or really stupid. Or maybe I must have made quite an indelible impression. So here is one for the road. Go fuck yourself.  Cool
  
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Novalis wrote on Jan 13th, 2016 at 10:58pm:
Noamineo, you must be really bored or really stupid. Or maybe I must have made quite an indelible impression. So here is one for the road. Go fuck yourself. 

Where's the popcorn? In all seriousness though, you think you're unlucky for rolling a 1, I'm the master of rolling 1's, just think of a scroll that say 250% to successful cast, then when I cast it, I failed like 7 times in a row before it even cast it! Pretty good ain't it, I used to get pissed off with that and I love rogues but sometimes there are days where the game conspire against you!
  
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Novalis wrote on Jan 13th, 2016 at 10:58pm:
What's worse? Posting about something that clearly has a 1's on doublestrike? Or bitching about some guy bitching?


You're both bitches.

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Or some guy bitching about some other guy bitching about some different guy bitching?
  
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Tangelina wrote on Jan 14th, 2016 at 12:08am:
Where's the popcorn? In all seriousness though, you think you're unlucky for rolling a 1, I'm the master of rolling 1's, just think of a scroll that say 250% to successful cast, then when I cast it, I failed like 7 times in a row before it even cast it! Pretty good ain't it, I used to get pissed off with that and I love rogues but sometimes there are days where the game conspire against you!


Tell me about it. There was a guy on the 1st page, J-mann in the thread that asked Varg the same thing about his scroll rolls.

My issue was the double 1's peppered with other 1's quite frequently. Recently someone pointed out they were rolling vorpals left and right and it might be the possibility he's VIP and I'm not. Now even though that way far out in woo-woo land, can't rule it out.

It was also suggested I take a video of my plight. I considered it but once again I was faced with the reality even if I showed what I've been saying, it still wouldn't matter. I would still get the DDO apologist squad telling me this and that, making irrelevant arguments and it would just be a big waste of my time. But the thread is interesting especially when one guy screen SC the same double strike 1's I seem to get every 15 attacks or so.
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Skrilla wrote on Jan 14th, 2016 at 12:59am:
Or some guy bitching about some other guy bitching about some different guy bitching?


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When you roll 1 on skill check it's not auto-fail like on attack rolls.
  
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Novalis wrote on Jan 14th, 2016 at 12:59am:
Tell me about it. There was a guy on the 1st page, J-mann in the thread that asked Varg the same thing about his scroll rolls.

My issue was the double 1's peppered with other 1's quite frequently. Recently someone pointed out they were rolling vorpals left and right and it might be the possibility he's VIP and I'm not. Now even though that way far out in woo-woo land, can't rule it out.

It was also suggested I take a video of my plight. I considered it but once again I was faced with the reality even if I showed what I've been saying, it still wouldn't matter. I would still get the DDO apologist squad telling me this and that, making irrelevant arguments and it would just be a big waste of my time. But the thread is interesting especially when one guy screen SC the same double strike 1's I seem to get every 15 attacks or so.


Dude, take a simple video and record your rolls.  It is beyond easy to prove or disprove with basic statistics.
  
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Novalis wrote on Jan 13th, 2016 at 10:58pm:
Noamineo, you must be really bored or really stupid. Or maybe I must have made quite an indelible impression. So here is one for the road. Go fuck yourself.  Cool


Its the first one. I was REALLY bored.
  

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wait, there's a shit ranged rogue on argo that isn't me? the horror.
Seriously though, confirmation bias. Take a set of rolls over the entire day with a decent sample size (in the thousands) and then do stats analysis on it. Until then, you're wasting your time.
  
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Is it just me who changes the dice every time I roll a 1 Sad
  
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Cyto wrote on Jan 14th, 2016 at 1:18pm:
Seriously though, confirmation bias. Take a set of rolls over the entire day with a decent sample size (in the thousands) and then do stats analysis on it. Until then, you're wasting your time.


Addendum: I was REALLY bored, but not bored enough to do high level statistical analysis on my combat logs.
  

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Cyto wrote on Jan 14th, 2016 at 1:18pm:
wait, there's a shit ranged rogue on argo that isn't me? the horror.
Seriously though, confirmation bias. Take a set of rolls over the entire day with a decent sample size (in the thousands) and then do stats analysis on it. Until then, you're wasting your time.


Under normal circumstances I would concur with this method of evaluation. But it has been confirmed by devs not only is combat log inaccurate but RNG is borked too. People in general roll differently but this was very unique.

After being shouted down in so many ways, I asked some buddies to test with me and we took a sample with 3 other similar builds. We each beat down the dummy 20 times and counted our 1's. when we compared our samples, I was rolling 3 times as many more 1's than the other 3 rogues. But the interesting thing was the disparity of 20's in comparison. So it really doesn't matter if I detailed everything with SC, video, or even a runtime debugging script. It's just going to be my word over a low priority problem.
  
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Novalis wrote on Jan 14th, 2016 at 1:32pm:
it has been confirmed by devs not only is combat log inaccurate but RNG is borked too.

Where'd they say this?

Genuinely shocked that DDO devs admit something's fundamentally wrong with the game, although I suppose they can always blame it on the last set of halfassed interns turbine employed.
  
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Cyto wrote on Jan 14th, 2016 at 1:35pm:
Where'd they say this?

Genuinely shocked that DDO devs admit something's fundamentally wrong with the game, although I suppose they can always blame it on the last set of halfassed interns turbine employed.


Yeah, it was around the time after ToEE was released. It would have been addressed in the same limp wristed and passive-aggressive Cordo style declaration of it being a known but isolated issue that would be resolved in the near future. Then appropriately buried somewhere in the MoBo's. Apparently that balancing pass to prepare us for the long awaited legendary greensteel was too much of a top priority. We really see the quality bonuses shine through on that.  Roll Eyes
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Fuck legendary GS. total waste of time until they pare down the number of runes needed for a decent set. You'd have thought they'd get the message about too much grind back when people started duping shit because farming TF/black stones was taking too long.

I'll take a quick scoot through the release notes BS and see if I can find what you're talking about though. I seem to remember something about repeater xbows firing too fast for the rolls to show up right.
  
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Your rolls don't seem to be all that off.  I saw two 19's next to two ones.  That's unlikely.  I also saw you duplicated one of your screenies to make it look like more events than there actually are.  I saw one screenie with 3 crits out of 4 rolls, even though you should only be critting 25% of the time.  Two ones in a row happening several times over the course of a 12-20 minute quest is normal, not abnormal.  Over small sample sizes, you will see outliers.  The larger the sample size, the overall activity will normalize.  To some degree.  But there will still be some outliers.  That's the random part of RNG. 
 
Another problem.  You show screenies from at least two different quests and the training dummy.  That doesn't do anything to prove they happened minutes apart vs hours, days, or months apart.

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Novalis wrote on Jan 14th, 2016 at 1:32pm:
Under normal circumstances I would concur with this method of evaluation. But it has been confirmed by devs not only is combat log inaccurate but RNG is borked too. People in general roll differently but this was very unique.

After being shouted down in so many ways, I asked some buddies to test with me and we took a sample with 3 other similar builds. We each beat down the dummy 20 times and counted our 1's. when we compared our samples, I was rolling 3 times as many more 1's than the other 3 rogues. But the interesting thing was the disparity of 20's in comparison. So it really doesn't matter if I detailed everything with SC, video, or even a runtime debugging script. It's just going to be my word over a low priority problem.


Video?  Data?  Proof?
  
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noamineo wrote on Jan 13th, 2016 at 8:59pm:
I feel like if you have nothing better to do with your life than screen shot your combat log, collect thousands of records, do the math of the game engine for yourself, and then crunch the numbers... you probably deserve to roll statistically too many 1s.

You don't need thousands of records for the effect size he claims (3x as many 1 rolls).
  
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