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Reply #50 - Jan 20th, 2016 at 9:45am
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Rubbinns wrote on Jan 19th, 2016 at 5:01pm:
actually is imp evasion. functionally the exact same and doesnt stack.

improved evasion.


Words are hard, I know.  Different things are called by different names; it can be overwhelming.  However, for the sake of clarity, brevity, and protecting the Queen's English, we all go out of our way to try and call things what they are.  Rangers don't get improved evasion, they get a gay-ass tree ability that takes what, 33 points to aquire, and locks you out of all other tier 5 abilities in the process?  Hardly the same as a single feat...called imroved evasion....which is not that.
  
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Reply #51 - Jan 20th, 2016 at 9:47am
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Reply #52 - Jan 20th, 2016 at 10:22am
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Galadriel wrote on Jan 20th, 2016 at 8:33am:
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Reply #53 - Jan 20th, 2016 at 12:48pm
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[] wrote on Jan 20th, 2016 at 9:45am:
Hardly the same as a single feat

exact same. no difference. actual improved evasion
  

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Reply #54 - Jan 20th, 2016 at 1:49pm
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Rubbinns wrote on Jan 20th, 2016 at 12:48pm:
exact same. no difference. actual improved evasion


Improved Evasion =
9 Levels Monk or
10 Levels Rogue (at least) or
5 Levels Ranger + 6 AP (would need to be at least be 9 Levels of Ranger or splash 2 Rogue/2 Monk to have evasion in the 1st place).

No matter the equation or the wording the result is the same.  IMPROVED EVASION.

Edit:  I'm not sure how it works with Evasion from Epic Destinies.  I would assume the same as the rest.
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Reply #55 - Jan 20th, 2016 at 2:15pm
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It's not the same, as I pointed out, it costs WAY more to get, and it locks you into a 5th tier; PRO TIP: it even has a different name.  Words are hard, huh?
  
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Reply #56 - Jan 20th, 2016 at 2:22pm
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[] wrote on Jan 20th, 2016 at 2:15pm:
It's not the same, as I pointed out, it costs WAY more to get, and it locks you into a 5th tier; PRO TIP: it even has a different name.  Words are hard, huh?


Its a boat!

no...its a ship!

PRO TIP: They both float.

  
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Reply #57 - Jan 20th, 2016 at 2:29pm
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Again, completely different set of requirements, and nomenclature; it's not hard to figure out, people.
  
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Reply #58 - Jan 20th, 2016 at 2:42pm
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[] wrote on Jan 20th, 2016 at 2:29pm:
completely different set of requirements


1+1=2; me use wood as wood weighs less then the volume of water it displaces; build big boat = floaty!

1+1=6-8; me use heavy metal. weight displaces water creating buoyancy force; build big ship = floaty!

different set of requirements with the same result.






  
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Reply #59 - Jan 20th, 2016 at 3:18pm
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You experts on Improved Evasion should consider becoming proficient with the "ignore knn" script as well.  Arguing with him benefits nobody.
  

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Re: U29 Max DPS Melee Ranger.
Reply #60 - Jan 20th, 2016 at 4:21pm
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[] wrote on Jan 20th, 2016 at 2:15pm:
It's not the same, as I pointed out, it costs WAY more to get, and it locks you into a 5th tier; PRO TIP: it even has a different name.  Words are hard, huh?

Improved evasion: You can avoid even magical and unusual attacks with great agility. When you attempt a Reflex save against an effect that normally does half damage when saved against, you suffer no damage if you successfully save and half damage even if you fail.

Evasive Dance: Improves your Evasion ability so on a failed Reflex saving throw against an attack that normally deals half damage on a successful save, you only take 85/70/50% damage.

Pretty much the same.

[] wrote on Jan 20th, 2016 at 2:15pm:
it costs WAY more to get

Unless the description is wrong, only costs +3 AP.


[] wrote on Jan 20th, 2016 at 2:15pm:
and it locks you into a 5th tier

You know... he took dance of death, dual perfection and another t5 stuff... he's already locked into the tier 5!

  
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Reply #61 - Jan 20th, 2016 at 10:17pm
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Some of us know what we are doing, and some people have their heads squarely up their asses; I'll let the reader make those distinctions.
  
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Reply #62 - Jan 21st, 2016 at 12:18am
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OldCoaly wrote on Jan 20th, 2016 at 3:18pm:
You experts on Improved Evasion should consider becoming proficient with the "ignore knn" script as well.  Arguing with him benefits nobody.


Sound advice but abstinence isn't always the right move either.
  
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Reply #63 - Jan 23rd, 2016 at 10:54pm
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[] wrote on Jan 20th, 2016 at 10:17pm:
Some of us know what we are doing, and some people have their heads squarely up their asses; I'll let the reader make those distinctions.

You're the one who's been attempting a manual DoS attack.
  

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Reply #64 - Jan 24th, 2016 at 9:48am
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Revaulting wrote on Jan 23rd, 2016 at 10:54pm:
You're the one who's been attempting a manual DoS attack.


I like that; good one.
  
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Reply #65 - Feb 23rd, 2016 at 4:14pm
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Any concrete numbers on Harbringer damage per a hit? Seems like it would be about 80 dmg on non lawful and 240 on lawful? Don't see it worth dropping dire charge for.

I went Elf STR based scimitar with Dragonmarks for 6m displacements, 4 dmg, and 3% DS.
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Reply #66 - Feb 24th, 2016 at 11:57am
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Sergod wrote on Feb 23rd, 2016 at 4:14pm:
Any concrete numbers on Harbringer damage per a hit? Seems like it would be about 80 dmg on non lawful and 240 on lawful?


According to the formula, it should be ~45/135. It is higher in game though.


Sergod wrote on Feb 23rd, 2016 at 4:14pm:
Don't see it worth dropping dire charge for.


Dire charge is great for helplessness. This build has Balanced Attacks though, so everything is already helpless. Also, the build already has too many active attacks.
  

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Reply #67 - Feb 24th, 2016 at 2:16pm
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5 Foot Step wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 11:57am:
According to the formula, it should be ~45/135. It is higher in game though.



Dire charge is great for helplessness. This build has Balanced Attacks though, so everything is already helpless. Also, the build already has too many active attacks.


interesting. that is a fair amount of dps from harbringer. not sure i could give up dire charge, personally.
  
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Reply #68 - Feb 24th, 2016 at 3:45pm
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Not worth giving up dire charge for. Saved my life many times on LE.
  
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Reply #69 - Feb 24th, 2016 at 3:50pm
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yardarm_ wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 3:45pm:
Not worth giving up dire charge for. Saved my life many times on LE.

yep. dire charge is amazing on LE. cc is king on le. combining it with dance of death clears a pack.
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Reply #70 - Feb 25th, 2016 at 12:48am
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yardarm_ wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 3:45pm:
Not worth giving up dire charge for. Saved my life many times on LE.


Am I the only one experiencing problems with Dire Charge not actually taking effect? The animation goes off and the mobs don't care (they make no saves) often enough to make me dislike it enough to not keep it.
  
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Reply #71 - Feb 25th, 2016 at 5:48am
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Galadriel wrote on Feb 25th, 2016 at 12:48am:
Am I the only one experiencing problems with Dire Charge not actually taking effect? The animation goes off and the mobs don't care (they make no saves) often enough to make me dislike it enough to not keep it.


Dire charge is affected by grazing hits.
  
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Reply #72 - Feb 25th, 2016 at 6:23am
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yardarm_ wrote on Feb 25th, 2016 at 5:48am:
Dire charge is affected by grazing hits.


For a character that misses on 1's only, this seems more like a 1 in 5 charges does absolutely nothing. Will test more to find out though.
  
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Reply #73 - Feb 25th, 2016 at 8:30am
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Galadriel wrote on Feb 25th, 2016 at 6:23am:
For a character that misses on 1's only, this seems more like a 1 in 5 charges does absolutely nothing. Will test more to find out though.


it happens sometimes. happened more when i first started using it. you just have to be careful activating it. idk how to explain it but you learn to make it not happen
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Reply #74 - Feb 25th, 2016 at 9:06am
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Yay to more work for us because Turdbine can't code wings + AoE stunning fist on landing Cry

Doesn't Vanguard charge suffer from the same issue?
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