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Feb 6th, 2016 at 12:09pm
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Hello all dear members. I am finally able to make my final life or at least lets say long time final life. But i am facing a problem. Although a big fan of melees i cannot stand the many deaths in LE shroud. So i would like to ask all of you more experienced members which is by your opinion better option concerning self healing and most dps from the following:

warlock
pure ranger bow user
pure rogue mechanic
14 paladin/6 ranger for manyshot option twf
pure bard swash buckler or a split
pure paladin thf
11 cleric/x thf

Please i would really like your opinion so as to see and correct any thoughts or mistakes i might have. We are talking here for a situation where we get home, wanna play log in and dont wait for parties but we can just hop in carefully in a LE quest and play. Also i am not interested in burst dps but sustainable dps.

thanks all and i hope noone gets insulted
  
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Re: Advice for endgame LE build
Reply #1 - Feb 6th, 2016 at 1:05pm
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Korvel wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 12:09pm:
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Re: Advice for endgame LE build
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Korvel wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 12:09pm:
warlock
pure ranger bow user
pure rogue mechanic


Are all viable ranged builds. There are also various viable shuriken and monkcher builds.
  

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Re: Advice for endgame LE build
Reply #4 - Feb 6th, 2016 at 5:52pm
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pure 20 ranger TWF tempest

just throw repeater prof. in

make sure you have pierce the gloom for shroud

whenever you're sick of meleeing just pop on the repeater

you will be doin acceptable dps given the danger of meleeing certain targets (i.e., the rakshasa once you are out of spell points, Sorjek, or a pt 2 shroud boss)

another option is pure 20 ranger with level ups in con and 2 greensteel opposition items---to push you up to 1800 hp
1800 hp is about enough for everything but sorjek
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Re: Advice for endgame LE build
Reply #5 - Feb 6th, 2016 at 9:18pm
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All revamped classes are all viable plus shiradi;tree;wolves;shurikens,since only dps matters..You always gonna die in LE raid unless using those super low dps tanky style Roll Eyes However,melee toons without all gears/pastlife generally have a hard time,especially in shroud  CryBtw,CC builds like PM and warlock are also required in LE hox and shroud..
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Re: Advice for endgame LE build
Reply #6 - Feb 6th, 2016 at 10:53pm
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Holyavatar wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 9:18pm:
CC builds like PM and warlock are also required in LE hox.


Horseshit.

The tactics that worked for Elite HoX when level cap was 16 work fine for LE HoX.  You only need a "perfect" party if you can't be bothered to understand the raid mechanisms, stay awake, pay attention, and do your job.

CC makes it easier, but it can be done without.  The map is asymmetric for a reason.
  

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Re: Advice for endgame LE build
Reply #7 - Feb 7th, 2016 at 8:36am
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Firstly i would like to thank all of you who bothered to post an answer. Indeed i find it hard when being a melee in LE. I can understand that ranged builds have less dps apart from warlock than melees but they are "safer" lets say. Does anyone of you have an idea on the ranking of dps for the above proposed builds? Maybe it would be nice and informative to make 2 lists one with the dps ranking of the above mentioned builds and one with the survivability of the above.

What do you think?
  
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5 Foot Step wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 4:08pm:
monkcher builds.


Monkchers were never good builds: low DPS, and low HP (in general, they were too spread out stat wise), however, nubile players seemed impressed by them for some reason.
  
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Re: Advice for endgame LE build
Reply #9 - Feb 7th, 2016 at 12:04pm
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Monkchers were never good builds: low DPS, and low HP (in general, they were too spread out stat wise), however, nubile players seemed impressed by them for some reason.


I wasn't exactly setting a high bar with the "viable" descriptor, but in retrospect you are right that I shouldn't be recommending monkcher style in this context since it is too easy to do wrong.
  

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Re: Advice for endgame LE build
Reply #10 - Feb 7th, 2016 at 5:23pm
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ranged damage:

1. gxb rogue in fury
2. warlock
3. ranged ranger
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WonderfulFoppyBint wrote on Feb 7th, 2016 at 5:23pm:
ranged damage:

1. gxb rogue in fury
2. warlock
3. ranged ranger


Master of knowledge, ruin, greater ruin  Cheesy
  
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Korvel wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 12:01pm:
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Korvel wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 2:35pm:
you are not very polite neither friendly to new people right?


Now you're getting an idea.
  
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Re: Advice for endgame LE build
Reply #13 - Feb 8th, 2016 at 5:58am
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Goodmorning all people! again thanks for the advice. What about the melee dps list and how can it be compared to ranged mentioned above? Would be good for every player new or experienced to know in a post how the ranking goes.
  
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Reply #14 - Feb 8th, 2016 at 7:01pm
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single target (best of my knowledge, from kobold kill tests, and cabal for one where dps is 5k or lower)

Over 5000 sustained
wolf exploit build or pure ranger tempest

About 5000 sustained
barbarian twf, rogue assassin twf, paladin twf, furyGxB mech

About 3000-4000 sustained
Shiradi dps warlock, Monkcher

Things to keep in mind.
1. a poorly built toon does shit damage always
2. a shitty player can fuck up a well built toon
3. Ranged graze a hell of a lot more than melee. The above dps tests do not take that into account. Accuracy items are now required in LE gear-set-ups. If you don't think so I'm afraid you may be eating lead paint chips!! Stop!!!
4. If you want to spam ruin greater ruin, or use your unbridled fury I know you can break 5k dps on a warlock or monkcher. Shit is useful, but contextual. That's why anyone bothers to dps test them in the first place.
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Reply #15 - Feb 8th, 2016 at 7:03pm
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18 rogue / 2 ranger
for true strike

is probably more dps than rogue capstone atm.

pierce the gloom is fucking nice as shit! atm
  

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I think you have to look at whether you plan on running with groups or solo as well when it comes to DPS. I've a capped pure DWS who is fun enough in solo quests, but groups or Raids his DPS grows exponentially.

Binty is right about the grazing at ranged, first time in years I'm putting points into true strike.
  
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WonderfulFoppyBint wrote on Feb 8th, 2016 at 7:03pm:
18 rogue / 2 ranger
for true strike

is probably more dps than rogue capstone atm.

pierce the gloom is fucking nice as shit! atm

does true strike really help? isnt to-hit/ac so borked that you need, like 200 to not graze in LE?
  

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Grand wrote on Feb 8th, 2016 at 9:52pm:
I think you have to look at whether you plan on running with groups or solo as well when it comes to DPS. I've a capped pure DWS who is fun enough in solo quests, but groups or Raids his DPS grows exponentially.

Binty is right about the grazing at ranged, first time in years I'm putting points into true strike.



Pure DWS in L.D. is surprisingly decent DPS at endgame, between the range removal, pulverizer, 25 stack of focus, and blitz it all works very well. I'm assuming you're using maxed out hide?
  
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I'm assuming you're using maxed out hide?


Yes, I wish I could get the 31 SA dice my Mech has into it, that would be tremendous. Best I can get is 12 SA dice from assorted sources, but even with just the 12 dice, combined with the Ethereal and Sneak of shadows that scales up to 700+ SA damage when all conditions are perfect.
  
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Shiradi dps warlock


What build are you using for this?  IME, warlocks aren't nearly as much DPS compared to MOK builds.
  
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AtomicMew wrote on Feb 9th, 2016 at 9:06pm:
What build are you using for this?  IME, warlocks aren't nearly as much DPS compared to MOK builds.


https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/470188-Vanilla-Direct-Damage-Warlock-m...
with some adjustments

how are you charging MoK? I tried out the two SLAs and was like... ...fuck this garbage

crit damage on a MoK is comprable to a pure tainted warlock?

Fore me....
Pure warlock can be etr'd into various interesting things and i can't be bothered to ever empty my TR cache again ....
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WonderfulFoppyBint wrote on Feb 10th, 2016 at 1:45pm:
crit damage on a MoK is comprable to a pure tainted warlock?

60 from mok
10 from lock core
100 from arcane supremacy
25 night horrors item
20 wellspring

force crit chance 90%+. around 900 force before metas
  

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WonderfulFoppyBint wrote on Feb 10th, 2016 at 1:45pm:
https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/470188-Vanilla-Direct-Damage-Warlock-m...
with some adjustments

how are you charging MoK? I tried out the two SLAs and was like... ...fuck this garbage

crit damage on a MoK is comprable to a pure tainted warlock?

Fore me....
Pure warlock can be etr'd into various interesting things and i can't be bothered to ever empty my TR cache again ....

Yeah the SLAs aren't very good, you just have to deal with it.  Arcane blast is decent against mobs and multiprocs MoK (at least it did on lamma).  They're not horrible, since a lot of your damage is proc damage anyway, and they quicken for free. 

Building up MOK is non-trivial, so I front load the SLAs in my rotation until max stacks and then push them to the back just enough to keep up max stacks.
  
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Reply #24 - Feb 10th, 2016 at 3:11pm
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AtomicMew wrote on Feb 10th, 2016 at 2:49pm:
Yeah the SLAs aren't very good, you just have to deal with it.  Arcane blast is decent against mobs and multiprocs MoK (at least it did on lamma).  They're not horrible, since a lot of your damage is proc damage anyway, and they quicken for free. 

Building up MOK is non-trivial, so I front load the SLAs in my rotation until max stacks and then push them to the back just enough to keep up max stacks. 


Arcane Blast does multi-proc.  Also you can build stacks by blowing up barrels with both SLAs.  That way you can use the real spells on the mobs...
  
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