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Re: FFS (Five Foot Swash)
Reply #50 - Jun 6th, 2016 at 2:14pm
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Vtec wrote on Jun 2nd, 2016 at 7:24pm:
Wouldn't precision net more DPS in LE than PA?


LE doesn't have all that much fortification, and LD requires PA active for 3 abilities. Precision would be better in DC, but I don't know what to pull points from for Thread the Needle.

Vtec wrote on Jun 2nd, 2016 at 7:24pm:
deciding between 12b/6f and 12f/6b.


12 fighter looks solid, but I like Frozen Fury too much and 12 is the magic bard level number for duration = cooldown.

AnAlarmist wrote on Jun 3rd, 2016 at 1:05am:
Also, is it worth keeping 11 in Vanguard?

I'm curious if anyone's done the math there.  The AP on this build is just so damned tight.


There's lots of good options. It is hard to do wrong. If dropping Vanguard, I would be tempted to go empty offhand for the 10% DS and 6 base damage in Dashing Scoundrel.
  

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Re: FFS (Five Foot Swash)
Reply #51 - Jun 6th, 2016 at 5:38pm
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5 Foot Step wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 2:14pm:
There's lots of good options. It is hard to do wrong. If dropping Vanguard, I would be tempted to go empty offhand for the 10% DS and 6 base damage in Dashing Scoundrel.


I might be tempted there.  That also frees up three feats.  It'll definitely suck to miss out on guardbreaking though, especially with En Pointe essentially acting like a frontal cone daze.

So the tradeoff is:
1. Shield - 10% dodge, 8%ds (from SM feats), 15prr/7ds from LSM (1 twist),  stats on the buckler
2. Nothing - 6 base dmg, 10%ds, 3 feats, 1 twist

Maybe the 10% dodge isn't such a big deal if you can find gear that gets you to dodge cap anyway, but without LSM you're DOWN 5 ds already. Those three feats turn into 6 MP. I guess we could take hail of blows for 3% ds instead?

Is 6 dmg and 6 MP worth more than 2 ds, 10 dodge, 15 prr, and stats on shield?

Well that to me sounds like the nothing in offhand is more damage, but the buckler will be substantially more survivable.

We could also go the route of dropping LD and going into DC, which would also free up the cleave feat slot; take dodge there. Swap precision in for PA, take TtN and imp dodge from kensei to make up some dodge since vanguard ap will be dropped.

That makes one more feat available and gives another 5 base damage on top of the LD->DC swap. Let's see what these enhancements look like....
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Re: FFS (Five Foot Swash)
Reply #52 - Jun 6th, 2016 at 6:07pm
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AnAlarmist wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 5:38pm:
Is 6 dmg and 6 MP worth more than 2 ds, 10 dodge, 15 prr, and stats on shield?

I don't think it is. The shield also offers slots, which to me are kind of important again since lgs has none. And the free cc of guardbreaking is just too awesome.
  

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Re: FFS (Five Foot Swash)
Reply #53 - Jun 6th, 2016 at 6:33pm
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Rubbinns wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 6:07pm:
I don't think it is. The shield also offers slots, which to me are kind of important again since lgs has none. And the free cc of guardbreaking is just too awesome.


Slots have value. I don't think losing Guardbreaking is a big deal with Frozen Fury, Stunning Shield, Dire Charge, and Lay Waste in play though.
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Re: FFS (Five Foot Swash)
Reply #54 - Jun 6th, 2016 at 6:48pm
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5 Foot Step wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 6:33pm:
Slots have value. I don't think losing Guardbreaking is a big deal with Frozen Fury, Stunning Shield, Dire Charge, and Lay Waste in play though.


Does stunning shield work without a shield?
  
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Re: FFS (Five Foot Swash)
Reply #55 - Jun 6th, 2016 at 6:51pm
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U31-Bard-SB-EmptyOffhand
12/6/2 Bard/Fighter/Rogue
True Neutral Human

Feats

1        : Insightful Reflexes
1 Human  : Single Weapon Fighting
3        : Completionist
6        : Weapon Focus: Slashing
9        : Weapon Focus: Bludgeoning
12        : Improved Single Weapon Fighting
14 Fighter: Improved Critical: Slashing
15        : Precision
16 Fighter: Dodge
18        : Greater Single Weapon Fighting
18 Fighter: Weapon Specialization: Slashing
20 Fighter: Weapon Specialization: Bludgeoning
21 Epic   : Overwhelming Critical
24 Epic   : Weapon Focus: Piercing
26 Destiny: Perfect Single Weapon Fighting
27 Epic   : Weapon Specialization: Piercing
28 Destiny: Perfect Two Weapon Fighting
29 Destiny: Dire Charge
30 Epic   :
30 Legend : Scion of: Feywild


Enhancements (80 AP)

Swashbuckler (36 AP)
  • Confidence, Swashbuckling, Uncanny Dodge, Panache
    [list=1]
  • On Your Toes III, Tavern Shanties II
  • En Pointe II, Fast Movement, Double Strike Boost III
  • Dashing Scoundrel, Resonant Arms III, Smooth Flourishes, Charisma
  • Slap in the Face
  • Thread the Needle, Exploit Weakness, Coup de Grace: Melee

Warchanter (13 AP)
  • Skaldic: Constitution, Weapon Training
    [list=1]
  • Enchant Weapon, Rough and Ready II
  • Iced Edges III, Sprint Boost I
  • Frozen Fury III

Kensei (11 AP)
  • Kensei Focus: Axes, Spiritual Bond, Strike with No Thought
    [list=1]
  • Extra Action Boost I, Haste Boost III
  • Improved Dodge III

Stalwart Defender (10 AP)
  • Toughness, Stalwart Defense
    [list=1]
  • Resilient Defense III, Stalwart Defensive Mastery II
  • Durable Defense III

Harper Agent (7 AP)
  • Agent of Good I
    [list=1]
  • Harper Enchantment, Strategic Combat
  • Know the Angles II

Human (3 AP)
  • Damage Boost
    [list=1]
  • Improved Recovery


Destiny (24 AP)

Divine Crusader
[list=1]
  • Interrogation, Purge the Wicked, Charisma
  • Consecration III, Flames of Purity I, Charisma
  • Sacred Ground, Charisma
  • Crusade, Charisma
  • Castigation, Celestial Champion
  • Strike Down

  • Twists of Fate (35 fate points)
    [list=1]
  • Sense Weakness (Tier 4 Fury)
  • Reign (Tier 3 Fatesinger)
  • Hail of Blows (Tier 2 Flowers)
  • Rejuvenation Cocoon (Tier 1 Primal)
  • Legendary Tactics (Tier 1 Dreadnought)


  • Here's what I come up with for empty offhand build.  +6 damage and extra MP are tempting, but I really do think you lose too much sans shield.
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    Re: FFS (Five Foot Swash)
    Reply #56 - Jun 6th, 2016 at 7:28pm
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    AnAlarmist wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 6:51pm:
    +6 damage and extra MP are tempting, but I really do think you lose too much sans shield.


    Probably right. If you do swap to DC, make sure to trade in the handaxe for a light pick though (and IC pierce).

    AnAlarmist wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 6:48pm:
    Does stunning shield work without a shield?


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    Re: FFS (Five Foot Swash)
    Reply #57 - Aug 29th, 2016 at 2:14pm
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    Been away from the game a while, and was thinking with changes to the fighter tree (not even sure what changes were made), maybe this build was tweeked?

    Well interested in running something like this although I think I just have a few short swords around. I am not looking at anything totally bad ass but think it would be fun to run.

    Some nerf to combat mastery also had an impact?
      
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    Re: FFS (Five Foot Swash)
    Reply #58 - Aug 29th, 2016 at 2:52pm
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    Whatamidoing wrote on Aug 29th, 2016 at 2:14pm:
    Been away from the game a while, and was thinking with changes to the fighter tree (not even sure what changes were made), maybe this build was tweeked?


    V1.1 includes Kensei changes:

    http://www.ddovault.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1456432769/44#44

    Whatamidoing wrote on Aug 29th, 2016 at 2:14pm:
    Well interested in running something like this although I think I just have a few short swords around. I am not looking at anything totally bad ass but think it would be fun to run.


    Just use whatever for heroic then featswap Imp Crit into TF and LGS handaxes. I like Tiefling Assassin Blade.

    Whatamidoing wrote on Aug 29th, 2016 at 2:14pm:
    Some nerf to combat mastery also had an impact?


    Shouldn't be a big deal. Honestly, I've been neglecting this build though and haven't put in the time at cap to comment on how reliable Frozen Fury, Dire Charge, etc DCs are in LE.
      

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    Re: FFS (Five Foot Swash)
    Reply #59 - Sep 14th, 2016 at 1:23pm
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    What are the rogue levels for?  Traps?  Sneak Attack?

    Does Warchanter enchant weps combine with Harper enchant?

    5FS, keep posting builds, I get a lot of info out of them.
      
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    Reply #60 - Sep 14th, 2016 at 1:49pm
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    AsstralTraveler wrote on Sep 14th, 2016 at 1:23pm:
    What are the rogue levels for?  Traps?  Sneak Attack?

    Does Warchanter enchant weps combine with Harper enchant?

    5FS, keep posting builds, I get a lot of info out of them.


    Mostly evasion and skills to a degree.
      
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    Re: FFS (Five Foot Swash)
    Reply #61 - Oct 9th, 2016 at 1:56pm
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    L Executioner's Helm (Ins deception +7, Relentless Fury, Seeker 17, Qual CM+4, Mythic +3) 1 slot
    L Pendant of Warrior's Focus (Ins CM +6, Ins DS +7, AP 21, Mythic +3) 1 Slot
    E Litany (+2 stats, +4 hit and damage) 2 slots
    LGS Cloak
    L Animated Rope (Diversion 28, SA +14, Dodge 17, CM 14 (Ins), Mythic +3) 1 slot
    Ring of Deceit (Improved Deception, 20 perform, 2 slots)
    L Ring of Prowess (Deadly 14, Accuracy 28, MP 8, Mythic +3) 1 slot
    CC Gloves (Dstrike/Hamp/Ins Accuracy) 2 slots
    Slave craft Boots (Cha/AP/Tendon Slice/Q Cha/Mythic +3) 1 slot
    Slave craft Bracers (Con/Devotion/Stunning/Q Int/Mythic +3) 1 slot
    CC Goggles (Int/TS/Ins Int) 2 Slots
    Leathers of the Celestial Avenger (Fort 159%, Diversion 23%, Q Deadly 3, Sheltering 38, Parrying 7, Blurry, Deathblock, Mythic +4) 2 slots
    T3 TF Handaxe 2 slots
    Buckler of the Celestial Soldier (Q Dex 3, Q MRR/PRR 9, Ghostly, Mythic +4) 2 slots
    20 slots
      

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