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Half Ass Rogue
Mar 15th, 2016 at 5:55pm
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5FS's Assman v1.1


Race: Halfling
Alignment: Neutral
Class: 20 Rogue


Stats: (36 pt build)

Strength............6
Dexterity...........20 (+ level ups)
Constitution.......16
Intelligence........16
Wisdom.............8
Charisma...........8


Feat Progression:

Level 1     : Two Weapon Fighting
Level 3     : Precision
Level 6     : Completionist
Level 9     : Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Level 10   : Improved Evasion
Level 12   : Improved Critical Pierce
Level 13   : Opportunist
Level 15   : Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Level 16   : Defensive Roll
Level 18   : Quick Draw
Level 19   : Slippery Mind
Level 21   : Overwhelming Critical
Level 24   : Improved Sneak Attack
Level 26   : Perfect Two Weapon Fighting
Level 27   : Weapon Focus Pierce
Level 28   : Elusive Target
Level 29   : Dire Charge
Level 30   : Sneak of Shadows
Level 30   : Scion of Ethereal Plane


Enhancements:

Racial: 7 AP

Cores 3/5 (4 AP)
Cunning 1/3
Guile I
Bold 1/3



Assassin: 41 AP

Cores 6/6
Sneak Attack Training 1-4 (8 pts)
Shiv 3/3
Stealthy 3/3
Venomed Blades 3/3
Dex +1
Dex +1
Critical Mastery 3/3
Killer 3/3
Knife Specialization (2 pts)
Measure the Foe 3/3
Light Armor Mastery 3/3


Thief Acrobat: 32 AP

Cores 5/6
Sly Flourish 3/3
Fast Movement (2 pts)
Haste Boost 3/3
Subtlety 3/3
Shadow Dodge 3/3 (6 pts)
Dex +1
Dex +1
No Mercy 3/3
Improved Defensive Roll 3/3


Epic Destiny: Legendary Dreadnought

Con +1
Extra AB 3/3
Legendary Tactics 3/3

AB Damage 3/3
Con +1

AB: Haste 3/3
Critical Damage 3/3

Volcano's Edge

Devastating Critical
Advancing Blows

Master's Blitz (PRR)


Twists: 4/3/3/1

Sense Weakness
Balanced Attacks
Grim Precision
Rejuvenation Cocoon

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Added TA core 5
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Re: Half Ass Rogue
Reply #1 - Mar 15th, 2016 at 6:04pm
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5 Foot Step wrote on Mar 15th, 2016 at 4:50pm:
Crap. Now I'm curious. I'm going to end up laying out a pure assassin just for comparison and people are gonna be like "lol another pure build."

LOL another pure build.
  

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Reply #2 - Mar 15th, 2016 at 6:13pm
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Revaulting wrote on Mar 15th, 2016 at 6:04pm:
LOL another pure build.


Damn it.  Cheesy
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Re: Half Ass Rogue
Reply #3 - Mar 15th, 2016 at 6:34pm
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5 Foot Step wrote on Mar 15th, 2016 at 6:13pm:
Damn it.


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Re: Half Ass Rogue
Reply #4 - Mar 15th, 2016 at 7:11pm
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Numbers:

158 average base sneak attack (24d6+33 standing hide mod+25 SoS boost+16 from Strange Tidings) * (1.5*156 MP=234 effective MP)(30 epic levels+70 blitz+20 ToEE+18 LD levels+10 capstone+6 Sightless+2 WF)= 527.72 * 260% helpless = 1372.072 * 80% offhand = 2469.7296 + 65% DS = 3361.5764 of just sneak attack damage per animation.


5.75d4+15 enhancement+20 avg dex (.5 modifier on ~37% of attacks)+12 deadly + 5 AB = 66.375x2.05 (crit profile) = 136.06875+32.2 (23 seeker) x 2.56 (MP) = 430.768 x 260% helpless = 1119.9968 x 1.8 (80% offhand) = 2015.99424 + .65 (DS) = 2743.99216

plus

Mainhand 18.54 (4.5 x 4.12) poison + 27 ToS + 20.7 DE + 36 MF + 10.5 CW Ruby = 112.74 x 1.65 (DS) = 186.021

Offhand 18.54 (4.5 x 4.12) poison + 6.75 GM + 7.5 GES + 14.25 GSB + 10.5 CW Ruby = 57.54



= 6349.12956 damage per animation w/ t3 tf/ToEE dagger or kukri combo

Yep, that's more.

Edit: Added helpless multiplier to base damage.
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Re: Half Ass Rogue
Reply #5 - Mar 17th, 2016 at 1:17am
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Very nice.  Kinda makes me wanna do a non-repeater/gxb rogue life.
  
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Re: Half Ass Rogue
Reply #6 - Mar 17th, 2016 at 5:26am
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DPS w/o assassinate?
Hmmm.is that what you meant by Half Ass Rogue? Cheesy
  

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Reply #7 - Mar 17th, 2016 at 9:23am
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No CC from Improved Traps either. So, maybe 3/8ths ass? 

Looks tight for max SA melee bluffed/decepted red named DPS.
I'd imagine Dire Charge + SA etc etc makes trash trivial.

You have Quick Draw listed @ 6 and 18 btw
  

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Re: Half Ass Rogue
Reply #8 - Mar 17th, 2016 at 9:52am
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Mokune wrote on Mar 17th, 2016 at 9:23am:
ou have Quick Draw listed @ 6 and 18 btw

that makes it Quicker draw!
  
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Re: Half Ass Rogue
Reply #9 - Mar 17th, 2016 at 1:39pm
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im glad you came to your senses on knives/kukri's versus SS's and gnome.

It was like swashbuckling on a bard but equipping a long sword.
  
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Re: Half Ass Rogue
Reply #10 - Mar 18th, 2016 at 10:42am
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Alex DeLarge wrote on Mar 17th, 2016 at 5:26am:
DPS w/o assassinate?
Hmmm.is that what you meant by Half Ass Rogue?


Yes.

You saw what I did there?Mokune wrote on Mar 17th, 2016 at 9:23am:
You have Quick Draw listed @ 6 and 18 btw


Fixed:

5 Foot Step wrote on Mar 15th, 2016 at 5:55pm:
Level 6     : Completionist



harharharhar wrote on Mar 17th, 2016 at 1:39pm:
im glad you came to your senses on knives/kukri's versus SS's and gnome.

It was like swashbuckling on a bard but equipping a long sword.


The other build has merit. This one is needs a lot of past life support to be even marginally survivable at end game. But yeah, this one is clearly more DPS because the other one is a revision of a square peg that made sense in updates past. I won't bother again unless/until there is a monk pass to ungimp unarmed combat.
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Reply #11 - Mar 18th, 2016 at 4:00pm
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I find Blitzing assassin incredibly boring.
Can't keep stacks of Blitz and MtF up while assassinating shit.
Plus no aoe so Blitz is not that easy to keep up anyway.

If you wanna play rogue and play with all the tricks, Shadowdancer is cool.
Roll a barb or ranger, or acrobat if you wanna just blitz imo.

  
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Reply #12 - Mar 18th, 2016 at 4:46pm
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Wipe wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 4:00pm:
I find Blitzing assassin incredibly boring.
Can't keep stacks of Blitz and MtF up while assassinating shit.
Plus no aoe so Blitz is not that easy to keep up anyway.

If you wanna play rogue and play with all the tricks, Shadowdancer is cool.
Roll a barb or ranger, or acrobat if you wanna just blitz imo.


You missed the part where I didn't take assassinate.

Divine Crusader is almost just as good though.
  

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Reply #13 - Mar 19th, 2016 at 10:03am
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Wipe wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 4:00pm:
I find Blitzing assassin incredibly boring.
Can't keep stacks of Blitz and MtF up while assassinating shit.
Plus no aoe so Blitz is not that easy to keep up anyway.

If you wanna play rogue and play with all the tricks, Shadowdancer is cool.
Roll a barb or ranger, or acrobat if you wanna just blitz imo.




If you can't keep blitz up, you are either role-playing and taking in the scenery, or  not running fast enough to get ahead of your group of 5 warlocks.

Blitz is incredibly easy to keep up , especially with this build.

And assassinate is a joke, until Turbine reduces its cool-down a little it is a waste of time, and why this build doesn't include it.

That being said, LD doesn't make or break this build.
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Brodhi wrote on Mar 19th, 2016 at 10:03am:
If you can't keep blitz up, you are either role-playing and taking in the scenery, or  not running fast enough to get ahead of your group of 5 warlocks.

Blitz is incredibly easy to keep up , especially with this build.

And assassinate is a joke, until Turbine reduces its cool-down a little it is a waste of time, and why this build doesn't include it.

That being said, LD doesn't make or break this build.


Agreed.

The synergy of 24d6+75 sneak attack times 225 melee power stacking multiplicatively with Combat Brute, Sense Weakness, and No Mercy is amazeballs though.
  

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Reply #15 - Mar 19th, 2016 at 7:09pm
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I will try this next life, all out DPS is the way to go anyway.
  
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Reply #16 - Mar 20th, 2016 at 6:13pm
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Fixed an error in my AP distribution...and netted +20 doublestrike in the level 18 TA core! (Also 2 less sneak attack dice, +2 con in LD from taking haste boost in TA)

Pretty sure this is max melee rogue dps now.
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Reply #17 - Mar 20th, 2016 at 6:46pm
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Will work great with Iconic as well:

Shadar Kai: 7 AP

Cores 3/5 (5 AP)
Guile I
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Reply #18 - Apr 3rd, 2016 at 5:56pm
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158 average base sneak attack (24d6+33 standing hide mod+25 SoS boost+16 from Strange Tidings) * (1.5*156 MP=234 effective MP)(30 epic levels+70 blitz+20 ToEE+18 LD levels+10 capstone+6 Sightless+2 WF)= 527.72 * 80% offhand = 949.896 + 65% DS = 1820.634 of just sneak attack damage per animation. (no helpless)


5.75d4+15 enhancement+20 avg dex (.5 modifier on ~37% of attacks)+12 deadly + 5 AB = 66.375x2.05 (crit profile) = 136.06875+32.2 (23 seeker) x 2.56 (MP) = 430.768 x 1.8 (80% offhand) = 775.3824 + .65 (DS) = 1055.3816

plus

Mainhand 18.54 (4.5 x 4.12) poison + 27 ToS + 20.7 DE + 36 MF + 10.5 CW Ruby = 112.74 x 1.65 (DS) = 186.021

Offhand 18.54 (4.5 x 4.12) poison + 6.75 GM + 7.5 GES + 14.25 GSB + 10.5 CW Ruby = 57.54



= 3119.5766 red name damage per animation w/ t3 tf/ToEE dagger or kukri combo
  

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Reply #19 - May 1st, 2016 at 9:59pm
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To update:
Core 5/6 from Acrobat only applies the 20% doublestrike to quarterstaff.

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harharharhar wrote on Mar 17th, 2016 at 1:39pm:


It was like swashbuckling on a bard but equipping a long sword.

I use unarmed, SoS, or Riftmaker when I SB.
  
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DukeOfQueens wrote on May 1st, 2016 at 9:59pm:
To update:
Core 5/6 from Acrobat only applies the 20% doublestrike to quarterstaff.


There are conflicting opinions on that point.
  

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Reply #22 - May 4th, 2016 at 4:22pm
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Thanks, 5 Foot <3
  
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Reply #23 - Jun 28th, 2016 at 12:03pm
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What I did:

drop halfling go human:
you lose 1 dex, 2 saves (who cares), 4.5 sneak attack damage (1 die, and 1 from hide)
you gain 6 ap, damage boost human, and a feat (2 MP gained)

6 ap + 1 AP(take 1 out of subtlety) = 7 AP (enough for know the angles tier 2)

I don't see the point of taking dire charge without know the angles. This was/will be my solution - still leveling it up to 30. If cartwheel charge does work, great. If it doesn't work, drop it and gain rank 3 know the angles (or put point back into subtlety).

Couldn't wait for lamm to pop up to do dps tests, will do them when I reach cap. If its not good enough, might swap to tilo's wolf build.

Thanks for build/idea Smiley
  
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Reply #24 - Jun 29th, 2016 at 11:14am
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+3 saves has value. This build needs all the help with Fort and Will that it can get, and the reflex target number of 100 for Improved Defensive Roll takes effort. I'm still tinkering with stuff though. Leveling it as a Shadar Kai currently for the past life. Might end up human. I was enjoying not being human for once, but double boost is indeed OP.
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