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Mar 28th, 2016 at 12:27pm
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Mongerer v1

12 ranger/6 monk/2 fighter
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Half Elf

Stats:
18 dex (+ levels)
12 con
18 wis

RRRRRR RRRRRR MMMMMM FF

Feats:
1 Point Blank Shot
2 (Rapid Shot)
3 Weapon Focus Ranged
4 (Precise Shot)
6 Completionist
6 (Manyshot)
9 Improved Critical
11 (Imp Precise Shot)
12 Zen Archery
13 Precision
14 Deflect Arrows
15 Weapon Focus Thrown
18 Master of Forms
18 10k stars
19 Dodge
20 Mobility
21 Overwhelming Crit
24 Combat Archery
26 Epic Spellpower
27 Shot on the Run
28 Double Shot
29 Harbinger
30 Sneak of Shadows
30 Scion of Ethereal

Enhancements:
41 points in Elf AA for capstone
24 in DWS for Killer & crit range
15 in Elf for AA


Epic Destiny: Legendary Dreadnought w/ pulverizer 17-20x4

I haven't done a longbow build for a while. Thoughts?
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Reply #1 - Mar 28th, 2016 at 12:29pm
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/fail.  Monkechers were always high mobility, low DPS builds; but in light of recent events, this one is particularly remeniscent of the nipples on a bull.
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Reply #2 - Mar 28th, 2016 at 1:06pm
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[] wrote on Mar 28th, 2016 at 12:29pm:
/fail.  Monkechers were always high mobility, low DPS builds; but in light of recent events, this one is particularly remeniscent of the nipples on a bull.


How's that manyshot working out for ya?
  
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Reply #3 - Mar 28th, 2016 at 1:35pm
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WeHaveLived wrote on Mar 28th, 2016 at 1:06pm:
How's that manyshot working out for ya?


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Reply #4 - Mar 28th, 2016 at 4:54pm
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5 Foot Step wrote on Mar 28th, 2016 at 1:35pm:
Burn.



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Reply #5 - Mar 28th, 2016 at 9:28pm
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I don't see zen archery on the feat list, isn't that required for a build like this to remain centered for 10k stars? Also I wasn't aware that morphic arrows worked with pulverizer, this is good information.

I also just made a monkcher myself though I went a bit different with my path. 12 ranger/6 monk but not sure on the last 2, maybe just 2 more monk. My buddy insists on playing a melee monk and is already having trouble with survivability in later heroics so my monkcher is a bit more focused on CC. Paralyze pretty much lands on everything that isn't immune to it, my goal now is just getting as much physical damage into the build since I'm not using elemental arrows. I'm hoping going heavy in the DWS tree including t5's will help with this.

  
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Reply #6 - Mar 28th, 2016 at 11:44pm
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Pure ranger ALWAYS outperformed monkcher, even when shooting at a non-favored enemy: and pure ranger is a gimp.  As is, manyshot is better than 10k stars...
  
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Reply #7 - Mar 29th, 2016 at 7:05am
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Guys! Hey guys! Wait for me!!! Guys....GUYSSSS....Hey hey hey GUYS wait for me...

  

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Reply #8 - Mar 29th, 2016 at 7:07am
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[] wrote on Mar 28th, 2016 at 11:44pm:
Pure ranger ALWAYS outperformed monkcher, even when shooting a load on my face and pure ranger is a gimp.  As is, moneyshot is better in my hair...

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Reply #9 - Mar 29th, 2016 at 8:54am
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Mokune wrote on Mar 29th, 2016 at 7:07am:
even when shooting a load on my face


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Reply #10 - Mar 29th, 2016 at 11:02am
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vageta31 wrote on Mar 28th, 2016 at 9:28pm:
I don't see zen archery on the feat list, isn't that required for a build like this to remain centered for 10k stars?


Good catch. I had accidentally deleted the level 12 feat when I was formatting.
  

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Reply #11 - Mar 29th, 2016 at 12:27pm
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5 Foot Step wrote on Mar 28th, 2016 at 12:27pm:
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Last I checked, this will be incorrect due to H/Elf AA +1 crit not WAI. Granted that was before U30 but I doubt it got fixed.

Out of all the current Monkcher combinations I've tried recently, my most current (and most enjoyable so far) is the 12R 7M 1F. Differences with your idea are that I went for a bit more con at the expense of wisdom and some feats as well as enhancements.

I dropped dodge line for Grandmaster of Forms and Blinding Speed along with EDR (playing with this at the moment), Quicken, Empower Heal and Astral for your Sneak, Completionist, WF:T, Power Critical and of course leveling order. Am thinking of dropping Quicken and EDR personally but more time will tell once we lag less if I'll be dropping those.

As for enhancements, I went 18 Elf for Skill and full to-hit bonuses, 22 AA for T4 Imbue and Morphic, 40 DWS for full T5 and crit bonus. If AA crit gets fixed I would rework everything but I'll have to test it unless somebody can confirm it's working now.
  
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Reply #12 - Mar 29th, 2016 at 12:46pm
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Oh right, I need to fit in master of forms. Fixed. (dropped power crit)

Astral is very nice on this build. I will need to consider that.

As for whether the crit multi is working or not, I can easily back-burner this build until they fix it. I've already got too many projects anyway.
  

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Reply #13 - Mar 29th, 2016 at 5:51pm
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Galadriel wrote on Mar 29th, 2016 at 12:27pm:
Last I checked, this will be incorrect due to H/Elf AA +1 crit not WAI. Granted that was before U30 but I doubt it got fixed.



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Reply #14 - Mar 29th, 2016 at 7:49pm
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Galadriel wrote on Mar 29th, 2016 at 12:27pm:
Last I checked, this will be incorrect due to H/Elf AA +1 crit not WAI. Granted that was before U30 but I doubt it got fixed.

Out of all the current Monkcher combinations I've tried recently, my most current (and most enjoyable so far) is the 12R 7M 1F. Differences with your idea are that I went for a bit more con at the expense of wisdom and some feats as well as enhancements.

I dropped dodge line for Grandmaster of Forms and Blinding Speed along with EDR (playing with this at the moment), Quicken, Empower Heal and Astral for your Sneak, Completionist, WF:T, Power Critical and of course leveling order. Am thinking of dropping Quicken and EDR personally but more time will tell once we lag less if I'll be dropping those.

As for enhancements, I went 18 Elf for Skill and full to-hit bonuses, 22 AA for T4 Imbue and Morphic, 40 DWS for full T5 and crit bonus. If AA crit gets fixed I would rework everything but I'll have to test it unless somebody can confirm it's working now.


My current monkcher build is very similar to yours, though I'm wondering why you took Monk 7 instead of 6 to get that 2nd fighter bonus feat. Was it just for wholeness of body or the extra level for 10k calculation?

I went human but in retrospect I wish I'd have gone helf for the option of using the elf AA tree and getting that crit range, though since it's not working I guess I'm not missing much. If it gets fixed though it would definitely be the superior option. Right now I'm sort of focusing on para arrows because they're super broken in heroics and it's fun just paralyzing everything while my qstaff monk buddy burns them down without taking too much damage himself. His build is pretty gimp so it's easier to do this than run around trying to heal his ass with my cure serious wand. The damage sucks right now due to losing the elemental imbues, but I'm hoping that once I start getting higher in the DWS tree my physical damage will get much better.

By the time I hit epics I'll probably have to drop the para idea and just go full retard on damage, we'll have to see.
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Reply #15 - Mar 30th, 2016 at 1:36am
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Still broken.


Thanks. Confirmed it myself last night as well.

vageta31 wrote on Mar 29th, 2016 at 7:49pm:
My current monkcher build is very similar to yours, though I'm wondering why you took Monk 7 instead of 6 to get that 2nd fighter bonus feat. Was it just for wholeness of body or the extra level for 10k calculation?

I went human but in retrospect I wish I'd have gone helf for the option of using the elf AA tree and getting that crit range, though since it's not working I guess I'm not missing much. If it gets fixed though it would definitely be the superior option. Right now I'm sort of focusing on para arrows because they're super broken in heroics and it's fun just paralyzing everything while my qstaff monk buddy burns them down without taking too much damage himself. His build is pretty gimp so it's easier to do this than run around trying to heal his ass with my cure serious wand. The damage sucks right now due to losing the elemental imbues, but I'm hoping that once I start getting higher in the DWS tree my physical damage will get much better.

By the time I hit epics I'll probably have to drop the para idea and just go full retard on damage, we'll have to see.


7 Monk for the extra 10K as I like to switch between LD and FotW depending on the quest/raid and like having 100% of 2 arrows + small chance of third during 10K (assuming no killer stacks). Can always rework it but I would only pick up WF:T with it which didn't seem all that great in retrospect.

Human is nice for the extra feat but I wanted to focus more on the DPS aspect. Once you pick up IPS, you can drop Para completely and just aim for DPS. Mobs die fairly fast, even with 10K/MS on cooldown. Just make sure to run ahead of your friend so you get initial agro.
  
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Reply #17 - Jun 21st, 2016 at 10:54am
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Mongerer v2.0

12 Fighter/6 Monk/2 Ranger
Lawful Neutral
Half Elf

Stats:
18 dex (+ levels)
12 con
18 wis

RRFFFF FFFFFF MMMMMM FF

Feats:
1 Point Blank Shot
1 Rogue Dilletante
2 (Rapid Shot)
3 Completionist
3F Precise Shot
4F Weapon Focus Ranged
6 Weapon Spec Ranged
6F Manyshot
8F Improved Critical
9 Dodge
10F Greater Weapon Focus Ranged
12 Improved Precise Shot
12F Zen Archery
13M Precision
14M Deflect Arrows
15 Mobility
18 Master of Forms
18M 10k stars
20F Shot on the Run
21 Overwhelming Crit
24 Combat Archery
26 Epic Spellpower
27 Greater Weapon Spec Ranged
28 Double Shot
29 Elusive Target
30 Quick Draw
30 Scion of Astral

Enhancements:
33 points in Kensei for Power Surge & T5 stuff
22 in Elf AA for morphic elemental arrows
15 in HElf for AA
6 in DWS for Imp Weapon Finesse
4 in Tempest for Improved Defense



Epic Destiny: Legendary Dreadnought w/ pulverizer 17-20x4

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Reply #18 - Jun 21st, 2016 at 12:59pm
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Still a complete gimp: good luck with that.
  
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Reply #19 - Jun 21st, 2016 at 1:07pm
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[] wrote on Jun 21st, 2016 at 12:59pm:
Still a complete gimp


Yes you are,...good luck with that.
  

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Reply #20 - Jun 21st, 2016 at 1:08pm
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Just make it clear that this is a flavor build, for entertainment purposes only.
  
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Reply #21 - Jun 21st, 2016 at 1:21pm
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5 Foot Step wrote on Jun 21st, 2016 at 10:54am:
Feats:

12F Zen Archery


Hmm...with One with the Blade, I might be able to drop Zen Archery. Does anyone know if it works with bows? It looks like the description specifies melee, but...
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Reply #22 - Jun 21st, 2016 at 1:38pm
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Give it up, faggot: that gimp can't outperform pure ranger, it sucks shit.
  
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Reply #23 - Jun 21st, 2016 at 3:23pm
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[] wrote on Jun 21st, 2016 at 1:38pm:
Give it up, faggot: that gimp can't outperform pure ranger, it sucks shit.


Why do you think pure Ranger is stronger?
  
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Reply #24 - Jun 21st, 2016 at 3:49pm
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DnD wrote on Jun 21st, 2016 at 3:23pm:
Why do you think pure Ranger is stronger?


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