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max wis on a deep gnome
Apr 22nd, 2016 at 10:29am
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curious about how high you can get WIS on a deep gnome.  thinking about doing a DC caster (druid or cleric)
  
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Re: max wis on a deep gnome
Reply #1 - Apr 22nd, 2016 at 12:21pm
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Probably 3 more than Human, PDK, Half Elf, or Shadar-Kai and 4 higher than any other race except WF and BF...6 higher than them.

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Re: max wis on a deep gnome
Reply #2 - Apr 22nd, 2016 at 1:04pm
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Re: max wis on a deep gnome
Reply #3 - Apr 22nd, 2016 at 1:12pm
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15+7+2 GS
20 base
7 lvls
7 tome
4 enhancements
6 destiny
2 litany
3 set
2 yugo
2 ship
4 feats
3 alch
=84

Did I miss something?
  
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Re: max wis on a deep gnome
Reply #4 - Apr 22nd, 2016 at 2:01pm
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WeHaveLived wrote on Apr 22nd, 2016 at 1:12pm:
15+7+2 GS
20 base
7 lvls
7 tome
4 enhancements
6 destiny
2 litany
3 set
2 yugo
2 ship
4 feats
3 alch
=84

Did I miss something?

quality goes up to +4 on the new cloak
  
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Reply #5 - Apr 22nd, 2016 at 3:40pm
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K. Keep in mind painkiller that this is full retard WIS, and feats/AP may be better spent on other things.
  
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Re: max wis on a deep gnome
Reply #6 - Apr 22nd, 2016 at 3:58pm
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WeHaveLived wrote on Apr 22nd, 2016 at 3:40pm:
K. Keep in mind painkiller that this is full retard WIS, and feats/AP may be better spent on other things.

Yes. You probably can get to 74 or so fairly easily.
  

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Re: max wis on a deep gnome
Reply #7 - Apr 22nd, 2016 at 4:18pm
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Oops. Add 2 more for enhancements. Thought Gnome/DG only got INT in their racial tree.
  
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Re: max wis on a deep gnome
Reply #8 - Apr 23rd, 2016 at 2:00pm
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also + 2 'spooky' or whatever they will name it next time

and also unlisted +2 from EA epic moment
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Re: max wis on a deep gnome
Reply #9 - Apr 25th, 2016 at 10:10am
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Exceptional +1 from an augment
+2 festive/spooky
+4 on quality cloak over +2 on GS
+2 Racial Enh, +4 Class, +2 Capstone for a total of +8 over +4 Enh listed.
+2 Store Pot

Your 84
+1
+2
+2
+4
+2
=95
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Re: max wis on a deep gnome
Reply #10 - Apr 25th, 2016 at 12:18pm
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Asheras wrote on Apr 25th, 2016 at 10:10am:
Exceptional +1 from an augment
+2 festive/spooky
+4 on quality cloak over +2 on GS
+2 Racial Enh, +4 Class, +2 Capstone for a total of +8 over +4 Enh listed.
+2 Store Pot

Your 84
+1
+2
+2
+4
+2
=95


GS is exceptional, +4 is listed under enhancements, quality increases by 1 over the 3 quality on the original list.
  
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Re: max wis on a deep gnome
Reply #11 - Apr 25th, 2016 at 12:54pm
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WeHaveLived wrote on Apr 25th, 2016 at 12:18pm:
GS is exceptional, +4 is listed under enhancements, quality increases by 1 over the 3 quality on the original list.


I thought t3 of GS was quality.  OK. in that case, your list is:

15+7+2 GS (Enh, Insight, Exceptional)
20 base
7 lvl ups
2 COMPLETIONIST
7 tome
8 ENHANCEMENTS - 2 from Gnome, 4 from class trees, 2 from capstone
6 active destiny tree
5 TWISTS (although for DC's you'd get more bang by twisting in actual DC and Spell Pen twists)
2 litany (profane)
4 QUALITY (which you called set from devil handiwork set)
2 yugo
2 ship
2 STORE POT
4 epic feats
3 alch (house D Pot)
2 FESTIVAL/SPOOKY
=100
Possibly 102, if you go with +16 and +8 over the greensteel +15 and +7.  Since +16's have been seen on the Shard AH and +4 quality suggests that +8 Insightful is possible.

EDIT:  Forgot you could use 5 cookie abashai set to get +4 profane.  That would get you to 102.  If you wanted to give up your capstone and splash monk in and burn feats, you could get +4 from the GM of Water stance.  That would net you +2 to get to 104.
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Reply #12 - Apr 25th, 2016 at 3:47pm
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Yep, that looks about right. Now do CHA  Cheesy
  
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Re: max wis on a deep gnome
Reply #13 - Apr 25th, 2016 at 4:14pm
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Asheras wrote on Apr 25th, 2016 at 12:54pm:
+16's have been seen on the Shard AH

not on my ghetto server ;(
  

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Reply #14 - Apr 25th, 2016 at 4:49pm
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Is it really wise to discuss this?
  
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Re: max wis on a deep gnome
Reply #15 - Apr 25th, 2016 at 6:18pm
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WeHaveLived wrote on Apr 25th, 2016 at 3:47pm:
Yep, that looks about right. Now do CHA  Cheesy


The max of any stat is pretty easy to find once you know where the bumps come from. 

This stuff is pretty much universal:


15 Enhancement Item
7   Insight Item
2   Exceptional Item
20 base Stat (or 18, if the class you want starts at 8)
7   lvl ups
2   completionist
7   tome
6   active destiny tree
5   Twists (although rarely a good idea)
2   Profane Item(Litany, or can be +3 if Con or Str and you have the Greater Might of the Abashai set)
4   Quality Item
2   yugo pot
2   ship buff
2   Store Pot
4   Epic feats (Again, often a horrible build idea)
3   alchemical (house D Pot)
= 90. (Str and Con can hit 91 on a Horc or Dwarf/Robot respectively.  88 on a non base 10 class for stat)

From there, there the only real difference is enhancements.  Because most of the ED trees shy away from giving permanent stats anywhere but the one tree.  Exceptions:
    There is something in Primal Avatar that gives +2 primal bonus to stats.  But it is in T5, so you can't twist it.
    There is a core enhancement in Fatesinger that gives +1 to CHA and +1 to CON.  But that would suck as a destiny for anyone but a bard.
    The Fatesinger has Echoes of the Ancestors that gives +1 to a stat, but that would just replace a twist, unless you were in Fate Singer.

Gear/Items:
    Festival/Spooky Augment: +2 Int or Wisdom
    Titan Cookie: +6 Psionic Strength Bonus
    Hezrou Cookie: +4 Profane Bonus to Str, Con, Dex.
    5 Cookie Abashai Combo:+4 Profane Bonus to Cha, Int, Wis (Forgot about this in the Wis discussion)
    Tensers Spell: +4 Alchem bonus to Str, Con, Dex
    Rage Spell: +2 Str, Con
    Madstone Rage (both): +4 Str, +8 Con
    Blood Rage (Scourge Choker, Epic Locus of Vol): +6 Str, Con
    Rams Might: +2 Size bonus to Strength

Enhancements:
    Here is where it gets tricky.  Because the classes get some different stuff.  You can count on finding a class where you can get the following though:
    +4 from tree enhancements (Generally 2 trees with have what you want with 2 each)
    +2 or +4 from a Capstone
    +2 from Race

    From there, it depends on the class.  Examples:
    +8 Psionic Bonus to all stats coming from fighter (Currently Just Strength)
    +6 Competence bonus to Str, Con from Fighter, Pally.
    +X to Str based on Cha modifier from Divine Might - Pally, Cleric, FvS
    +2 to Int/Dex/Cha from Harper Cores
    +4 Con, +2 Int, Wis, Cha in Lich Form - PM
    +4 Con bonus (racial) when in Dire Bear Form - Druid
    +4 Str, Wis, Con, or Dex Depending on Monk Stance in Grandmaster of Forms (Forgot about this is the wis discussion too but it only helps if you
           can't get +4 from your capstone)
    +10 Str, Con - Mighty Rage - Barbarian
    +3 Str - Power Rage - Barbarian FB
    +3 Con - Hardy Rage - Barbarian Ravager
    +4 Str - Death Frenzy - Barbarian FB

So, based on the above, a Charisma build pally, Bard, or Warlock will get +4 Char Capstone, while a Sorc gets +2.  And +2 from Harper Tree and +2 from the Drow cores.

So that is +12 for pally, Warlock.
Sorc is +10. 
A bard is +12, unless in Fatesinger, then +14.
A U31 fighter gets +12.
A U31 character with 12 fighter levels drow with harper tree mixed with at least 4 bard, warlcok, or pally can get +16.  +18 if in Fatesinger.

So, take the base 90 and add in what you want from above.  The max would appear to be 108. (110 while chugging 5 set abashai cookies)

Str and Con are the hardest to gauge because of all the options and the stacking issues.  But safe to say that you can still get Str  higher than any other stat in the game.  Followed closely by Con. 



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Re: max wis on a deep gnome
Reply #16 - Apr 25th, 2016 at 6:56pm
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Realistic Max: (Got rid of the crazy use of Feats, Twists, and ED point spend and some of the more crazy enhancement combos)

Universal:
15 Enhancement Item
7   Insight Item
2   Exceptional Item
20 base Stat (or 18, if the class you want starts at 8)
7   lvl ups
2   completionist
7   tome
2   Profane Item 
4   Quality Item
2   yugo pot
2   ship buff
2   Store Pot
3   alchemical (house D Pot)
= 77.  (Requires 3 gear slots.  GS Weapon, Litany and 1 U31 Item with +4 quality.  Need more slots if you aren't doing a GS Item.  Need 3 types of potions)

Gear/Items:
    Festival/Spooky Augment: +2 Int or Wisdom
    Titan Cookie: +6 Psionic Strength Bonus
    Hezrou Cookie: +4 Profane Bonus to Str, Con, Dex.
    Tensers Spell: +4 Alchem bonus to Str, Con, Dex
    Rage Spell: +2 Str, Con
    Madstone Rage (both): +4 Str, +8 Con
    Blood Rage (Scourge Choker, Epic Locus of Vol): +6 Str, Con
    Rams Might: +2 Size bonus to Strength

Enhancements:
    +10  Wis (+12 Monk)
    +12  Dex, Int (+14 PM)
    +12  Cha
    +22  Str on Fighter
    +14  Str on Pally (Plus Divine Might.  Which is probably +10 to +20)
    +29  Str on Barb
    +22  Con on Barb (and +22 on a U31 Fighter)

Most Stats, 89-94 is a good target range to be in. (After U31.)

What you think is "realistic" and I do may differ.  YMMV.

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Reply #17 - Apr 25th, 2016 at 9:35pm
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Are we assuming no bard friend for Inspire Excellence +2 competence? Or does that not stack with something?


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Revaulting wrote on Apr 25th, 2016 at 9:35pm:
Are we assuming no bard friend for Inspire Excellence +2 competence? Or does that not stack with something?


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I Was sticking with self buffs.   But that's a fair add.  Especially for a bard build.
  
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Reply #19 - Apr 25th, 2016 at 11:10pm
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I think the idea was whatever you could do by yourself. But pain hasn't said anything in a while.
  
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Asheras wrote on Apr 25th, 2016 at 11:10pm:
But that's a fair add.  Especially for a bard build.

Still, it's an epic feat, so it comes at the "cost" of a +1. Unless you're getting it from a friend or box, it will only add 1 to your prime stat total, not 2. And then only as long as the song lasts.

Very limited. Worth mentioning on an exhaustive list, but not a practical one.
  

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Re: max wis on a deep gnome
Reply #21 - Apr 27th, 2016 at 9:10am
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thanks everyone...was looking for what I could get by myself on a cleric/druid/FVS lots of gear to farm Smiley
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Reply #22 - May 12th, 2016 at 9:01am
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for the CHA list there's also things like the exalted angel's Angelic Presence.  Adds +2 cha while over 50% health
  

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