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Re: Kensei Shuriken
Reply #150 - Aug 3rd, 2017 at 8:25am
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Could swing the 9 APs in Drow to Harper for KTA.  A couple of Kensei APs were just to use them.  IPS at 15 seems late.  I like having rogue 1st lvl for the skill points.  Think that makes 10ks a level later and T5 of Kensai at lvl 13.  So, waffling on that a bit as well.  Some of the ranged feats could be reordered as well I think.

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Lawful Neutral Drow


Level Order

1. Rogue           6. Monk           11. Fighter        16. Rogue
2. Monk            7. Monk           12. Fighter        17. Rogue
3. Monk            8. Fighter        13. Fighter        18. Rogue
4. Monk            9. Fighter        14. Rogue          19. Rogue
5. Monk           10. Fighter        15. Rogue          20. Rogue



Stats
               32pt     Tome     Level Up
               ----     ----     --------
Strength        10       +5       4: DEX
Dexterity       20       +5       8: DEX
Constitution    14       +5      12: DEX
Intelligence    14       +5      16: DEX
Wisdom           8       +5      20: DEX
Charisma        10       +5      



Skills
          R  M  M  M  M  M  M  F  F  F  F  F  F  R  R  R  R  R  R  R
          1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20
         ------------------------------------------------------------
Disable   4     1  1  1  1  1  ½  ½  ½  ½  ½  ½  5  1  1  1  1  1  1  23
Open Lo   4                                      2  9  4  1  1  1  1  23
Search    4     1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  2  1  1  1  1  1  1  23
Bluff     4                                                  7  7  5  23
Balance   4  1              1                    1     5  8  1  1  1  23
UMD       4  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  23
Diplo     4                                                        2   6
Jump      4  1                                                         5
Swim      4  1                                                         5
Tumble    4  1                                                         5
         ------------------------------------------------------------
         40  6  6  6  6  6  7  5  5  5  5  5  5 11 12 12 12 12 12 12



Feats

1        : Point Blank Shot
2 Monk   : Dodge
3        : Weapon Focus: Thrown
3 Monk   : Mobility
4 Monk   : Path of Harmonious Balance
6        : Precision
7 Monk   : Ten Thousand Stars
8 Fighter: Precise Shot
9        : Shot on the Run
9 Fighter: Rapid Shot
11 Fighter: Weapon Specialization: Thrown
12        : Improved Critical: Thrown
13 Fighter: Quick Draw
15        : Improved Precise Shot
18        : Power Critical


Enhancements (80 AP)

Kensei (40 AP)
  • Kensei Focus: Martial Arts, Spiritual Bond, Strike with No Thought[list=1]
  • Extra Action Boost III, Weapon Group Specialization, Haste Boost III
  • Weapon Group Specialization, Improved Dodge II, Ascetic Training: Agility III
  • Critical Mastery III, Weapon Group Specialization, Shattering Shot III, Dexterity
  • Liquid Courage, Strike at the Heart, Dexterity
  • A Good Death: Range, One with the Blade, Deadly Shot, Keen Edge

Ninja Spy (31 AP)
  • Basic Ninja Training, Advanced Ninja Training[list=1]
  • Sneak Attack Training, Acrobatic III
  • Agility III, Sneak Attack Training, Melee/Ranged Power Boost III
  • Sneak Attack Training, Sting of the Ninja, Dexterity
  • Sneak Attack Training, No Mercy III, Dexterity

Drow (9 AP)
  • Spell Resistance, Dexterity[list=1]
  • Keen Senses II, Xen'drik Weapon Training
  • Xen'drik Weapon Training

  

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Re: Kensei Shuriken
Reply #151 - Aug 3rd, 2017 at 3:18pm
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Rogue gives 4d6 Sneak, but DWS gives 3, AND Sniper shot which by itself is probably better for this build than the Kensei T5's. If you specifically want Rogue abilities I understand this split, but from SA maximizing and active attack using perspective, 6 Ranger is still a better bet I think.
  
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Re: Kensei Shuriken
Reply #152 - Aug 4th, 2017 at 12:15pm
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Its so hard to max out stats gear-wise nowadays, I don't think KtA is worth it unless you were going to be heavy on Int anyway.

Agreed that ranger would probably add more than rogue for this build.

Weapon Focus Ranged is a better option than Power Critical.

One other thing: You'll always want to take the dark monk feat now post monk pass. I realize you didn't put points in Ninjutsu, but you really should have since it is much more efficient than the +1s from Drow.
  

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Re: Kensei Shuriken
Reply #153 - Aug 4th, 2017 at 1:30pm
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Toke wrote on Aug 3rd, 2017 at 8:25am:
Could swing the 9 APs in Drow to Harper for KTA. 

Or, get some racial PL AP and have both...
  
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Re: Kensei Shuriken
Reply #154 - Aug 4th, 2017 at 3:09pm
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It's been a while but if I remember the details of the SA focused shuri build I ran, it was an 11/6/3 rogue/ranger/monk or an 8/6/6 rogue/ranger/monk.

The rogue + ranger build gives you more options for SA die and the activated attacks from DWS are fairly comparable to the ones from Kensai.

  
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Re: Kensei Shuriken
Reply #155 - Aug 4th, 2017 at 7:40pm
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Asheras wrote on Aug 4th, 2017 at 1:30pm:
Or, get some racial PL AP and have both...

Personally was thinking to use this type build to get my 2nd racial past life.  So, yes, would be nice, but not there yet.
  

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