5 Foot Step wrote on Aug 6^th, 2016 at 7:31pm:

Even if it were that much (I doubt it, feel free to offer proof with a video, I'm curious on the exact casting speed differences as well) the raw DPS shiradi wizards have over shiradi sorcs now is more than that, flat out.

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I'm talking about the period after your spell where you can't take any other action (besides moving).  I dunno what it's called, aftercast delay maybe? 

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Well good luck with that.  But when your ruin/greater ruins are critting less frequently and for half compared to a T5 archmage build, it seems like a non-starter to me.

ICBM 2.0

Race: Warforged/Bladeforged
Alignment: Lawful Neutral
Class: 18 Sorcerer/1 Monk/1 Favored Soul

MFSSS SSSSS SSSSS SSSSS

Stats:...... (36 pt build)

Strength.............8
Dexterity.............8
Constitution........20
Intelligence........20 + level ups
Wisdom.............10
Charisma............6


Feat Progression

WFSSS SSSSS SSSSS SSSSS

Level 1   : Insightful Reflexes
Level 1M : Dodge
Level 3   : Completionist
Level 6   : Maximize Spell
Level 9   : Empower Spell
Level 12 : Quicken Spell
Level 15 : Mental Toughness
Level 18 : Improved Mental Toughness
Level 21 : Epic Mental Toughness
Level 24 : Intensify Spell
Level 26 : Epic Force Spellpower
Level 27 : Ruin
Level 28 : Hellball
Level 29 : Arcane Pulse
Level 30 : Greater Ruin
Level 30L: Scion of the Plane of Fire


Enhancements


Fire Savant: 31 AP (75 Fire, 20 USP, 8% fire crit)

Core 5/6
Conflagration 3/3
Spell Critical: Fire I-IV (8 pts)
Fanning the Flames 2/3
One w/ Inferno 3/3
Pierce Fire Resist 3/3 (6 pts)
Efficient Metamagic 2/3 (4 pts)


Harper: 38 AP (47 USP)

Core 5/6 (7 pts)
Harper Enchantment (2 pts)
Traveler's Toughness 3/3
Versatile Adept I 3/3
Magical Endurance 3/3
Highly Skilled 3/3
Versatile Adept II 3/3
INT +1
INT +1
Versatile Adept III 3/3
Harper Enchantment of Magic (2 pts)
Versatile Adept IV 3/3
Magic of Patience (2 pts)

Angel of Vengeance: 6 AP (30 fire/force, 2% crit)

Core 1/6
Scourge 3/3
Smiting (2 pts)


Henshin: 1 AP (5 fire, 5 force, 1% crit fire/force)

Core 1/6


Racial: 4 AP

Core 1/5
Inscribed Armor 1/3
Mechanist 1/3


Epic Destiny: Shiradi Champion

Healing Spring 3/3
Illusion of Well Being 1/3

Prism (2 pts)
Fey Form 3/3
Fey Spring 3/3

Rainbow (2 pts)

Double Rainbow (2 pts)
Elemental Absorption 3/3

Nerve Venom 3/3
Stand and Deliver (2 pts)


Twists:

Energy Burst
Evocation Familiarity
Empyrean Magic



Spells:

FvS 1
Remove Fear
Protection from Evil

Sorc 1
Jump
Magic Missile
Shield
Sonic Blast

2
Scorching Ray
Resist Energy
Knock
False Life

3
Chain Missiles
Fireball
Displacement
Acid Blast

4
Force Missiles
Wall of Fire
Dimension Door
Repair Critical

5
Cloudkill
Cyclonic Blast
Eladar's Electric Surge
Teleport

6
Necrotic Ray
Reconstruct
Acid Fog

7
Delayed Blast Fireball
Waves of Exhaustion
Mass Protection from Elements

8
Incendiary Cloud
Power Word Stun

9
Meteor Swarm


Core spells:

Single:
Magic Missile
Scorching Ray
Force Missiles


AoE:
Meteor Swarm
Chain Missiles
Fireball
Acid Blast
Delayed Blast Fireball
Hellball
Energy Burst

Camping:
Incendiary Cloud
Cloudkill
Acid Fog
Wall of Fire


Nuke:
Ruin
Greater Ruin
Arcane Pulse
Eladar's

5 Foot Step wrote on Aug 7^th, 2016 at 7:17pm:

and? what else are you going to spend in those trees to get to higher tiers? maybe, 60 more spell points, 2 points of int and 2 charisma? lelkek. The aov and archmage points are 1:1 usp anyhow.

srzly breh. sometimes youre a little silly.

Rubbinns wrote on Aug 7^th, 2016 at 9:43pm:


"sometimes", a "little", "silly".

dying over here

chain miss is best shiradi spell, by far and away. 4 out of 8 of swarm's hits are subject to evasion. 0 of chain missile

5 Foot Step wrote on Aug 10^th, 2016 at 4:11pm:

or just vs one mob w evasion and 2 without.

Edit: im wrong/ meteor would be 8/8/4. vs chain at 1/cl/cl. Not taking into account positioning of mobs. Chain has a much, much, much, much, much, much, much bigger area than almost any other spell I tried. Havent tested chain lit on lama, but i did test goldies build there. It is possible to hit 7 out of 8 of the kobolds in the basement depending on where you fire chain miss from. note that is 2 separate packs of 4 in 2 rooms. a "L" shape area. Swarm is fireball area.

5 Foot Step wrote on Aug 10^th, 2016 at 12:18pm:

Arcane supremacy is 12% iirc "averaged out".  But of course no one "averages out" arcane supremacy, they load it up with wellspring of power/spellpower boosts/ruins/g. ruins/hellball/death auras etc.  That's on top of innately higher crit rate, crit damage and spellpower.  As I said earlier, MOK is roughly equivalent to ~300 spellpower. 

I was under the impression that meteor swarm was 4 procs, not 8, based on some earlier testing - I wasn't able to find multiple sonic procs per meteor in the combat log.  My testing wasn't extensive and was a long time ago, so feel free to do some additional testing. 

Just because there's 8 numbers, doesn't mean there's 8 procs; for example, hellball gets only 1 proc (or 2, if you use "features") despite having 3-4 damage numbers.  So it would be consistent if meteor swarm was 4 procs (but Turbine, so maybe not consistent?)

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Thanks for doing this.  As I said, wizard gets more than that in straight up damage.  So let's say 15% on the total rotation if you include meteor swarm, that still puts the 17 wiz/3 FvS ahead of the 18/1/1 sorc split. 

5 Foot Step wrote on Aug 10^th, 2016 at 4:58pm:

90 seconds isnt really random. MM, Cm, Scorching ray can all proc it. every 90 seconds.

5 Foot Step wrote on Aug 10^th, 2016 at 4:58pm:

yeah i edited that comment before you posted your reply. guess you had it quoted before i hit edit.

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CM also hits targets behind you. im not too sure that it isnt a wide 360 area

Rubbinns wrote on Aug 10^th, 2016 at 5:46pm:


That's the problem, you can't really hold it back without piking.

Rubbinns wrote on Aug 10^th, 2016 at 5:46pm:


Yes, Chain Missiles is very good. It's not like I'm not going to be casting it. Every 2 seconds.

Rubbinns wrote on Aug 10^th, 2016 at 5:51pm:


Not always available.

Rubbinns wrote on Aug 10^th, 2016 at 5:51pm:


So at least 1/5 of spell casts.

5 Foot Step wrote on Aug 10^th, 2016 at 4:58pm:


Hit Dire Charge or cast Mass Hold, go on cool down 1 second
Cast Arcane blast for MoK, go on cool down 1 second
Cast something for Empyrian, go on cool down 1 second

Ok guys lasers are charged!

Wait, where did all the mobs go? Dammit all my lasers are cooling down!

If you are in a raid with constant combat for 10 mins at a time, or soloing, well sure. The rest of the game though, by the time you count to 3 and debuffed/charged lasers, the mobs are already dead.

Oh, and MS hits multiple times, but my fuzzy memory was that MS does 1 shiradi proc chance at the start. So CM always wins. Unless you are fire savant core 12, which gives a second proc chance at burning stack application.

https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/425269-The-Scorcher-(WF-18-Sorc-2-Fvs-...)


Oh, and CM is always 10 missiles as far as I know regardless of CL, although it might have a very small AoE on some part of it, and some others claim more vs. groups based on CL.

Rubbinns wrote on Aug 11^th, 2016 at 6:36am:


Order's Wrath is the largest AOE in the game, and a primo delivery mechanism for Shiradi effects since, coincidentally, it has no cool-down to speak of and can be spammed fast as fuck with quicken spell.

Rubbinns wrote on Aug 11^th, 2016 at 9:22am:

So in conclusion, two copies of chain missiles is awesome!