THF with a bastard sword is better than SWF. Remember: SWF = Single Target. THF = AOE.

I'm personally looking in to doing 11 cleric, 6 ranger. 3 fighter and TWF with either khopeshes or bastard swords(I have more bastard swords for some reason...)

If you are going more melee the 3 levels of paladin splash are a good thing. You can get about 25 PRR for a handful of ability points in Sacred Defender.

fwiw, I did a recent "cleric" life as a Barb 6 / Fighter 6 / Cleric 8. Using barbarian T5 for easy selfhealing.

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I don't mind trying that out once I TR. Still need to drag my wizard through a couple of heroic levels and an Epic PL after that but it looks interesting. I also have some swashbuckler stuff lying around from a bard life so I don't mind giving that a spin Tilo, just as long as you're not in a hurry for feedback I'll get around to it eventually.

EDIT: Off the top of my head, can you even take cleave/great cleave without PA? Cause if not I see a problem with that feat layout.

If you want the best crit profile, do the 6 fighter.  You can get the same defensive benefits as the pally (minus saves and LoH) and you get Keen Edge and Strike with no thought, which gives you the +1 crit range/+1 crit multiplier. 

Ranger is stronger for melee DPS than fighter when doing 12 levels or more, but in a 6 splash, the fighter is better, and you have the option of doing THF or TWF (if you want to invest the build points in dex on the fighter, since you aren't getting TWF feats via class).   

Edrein wrote on Aug 15^th, 2016 at 11:30am:


I completely glanced over power attack in Tilo's build.... my bad. What about a Bsword s&b for the AoE? Would be rather tight on feats but it'd get glances for some chip damage.

Bushin wrote on Aug 15^th, 2016 at 3:07pm:


SB by itself has some AoE in it depending how you want to use feats. SB alone has En Point; which despite it's description seems to work in a conal spell AoE rather than a full fledged cleave. I'd assume this is because it's a spaghetti code copy and paste of Momentum Swing. Assuming you're using an axe as mentioned, and you'll be in LD anyway for headman's chop. So you'll have Momentum Swing, Cleave, Great Cleave, and Lay Waste I'm guessing before En Point.

Bsword is fine if you've got a collection of them or want to drop legendary greensteel I suppose. Personally khopesh testing is a chore for me on live, given I always harbinged the day scimitars would fully outshine khopeshes. (I'm looking at you failed warpriest enhancement.) On a ranger build though, scimitars are were it's at in my opinion. I'll take 40% crit over an x4 khopesh any day.

noamineo wrote on Aug 15^th, 2016 at 3:33pm:


Did you happen to get around to testing if the defensive stances stack? If so then 3 pally would definitely win out on 3 more cleric levels (for a melee build).

Revaulting wrote on Aug 17^th, 2016 at 3:23am:


Turbine actually thought of that huh? Color me mildly impressed (very low bar) then that's a no go. Pity, the extra PRR/MRR would be very nice.

Revaulting wrote on Aug 17^th, 2016 at 4:35am:


But, but, but, the logo's are different. And in all seriousness I wouldn't be surprised if even after copying an entire tree they still forgot to make stuff mutually exclusive.

Bushin wrote on Aug 17^th, 2016 at 5:16am:


We got the joke the 1st time.  They have always been mutually exclusive since they came out and as someone pointed out already, you can test this in 5 minutes on live.  Please stop.

Having said that, you best bet for a warrior priest is 14 Cleric 6 Fighter or 15 Cleric 5 Bard.  If you just want the best melee with a Cleric icon it would be 12 Cleric 5 Bard 3 Fighter.

At 13 and 14 lvl cleric you do get level 7 spells (greater resto, resurrection), but nothing really beyong that.  I prefer to stop at 12 cleric, but some people like to eek out as many levels as they can.

noamineo wrote on Aug 17^th, 2016 at 4:41pm:


That's what I was thinking, since I will be mainly melee I have no real need for other spells and a 3 pally splash would net me divine grace and some light damage in KotC which to me seems more usefull than some sp/spell slots. I could theorethically even splash rogue for trapping but I don't think I'd have the INT to spare between STR, CON and CHA to make that work. Any other splash I don't really see adding much. Maybe barb for the movement speed increase...