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Oct 20th, 2016 at 2:06pm
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Race: Human
Alignment: Lawful Neutral
Class: 12 Monk/6 Ranger/2 Fighter



Stats:..........Level 1 (36 pt build)

Strength............8
Dexterity...........18 (+5 level ups)
Constitution.......16
Intelligence........8
Wisdom.............16 (+7 tome required)
Charisma............8


Feat Progression:
RRMMR RMMRR MMMMM MMMFF
Level 1   : Quick Draw
Level 1   : H:Weapon Focus: Blunt
Level 2   : R2: Two Weapon Fighting
Level 3   : Completionist
Level 3   : M1: Stunning Fist
Level 4   : M2: Precision
Level 6   : Disciple of the Fist
Level 9   : Improved Crit Blunt
Level 10 : R6: Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Level 12 : Sneak of Shadows
Level 12 : M6: Deflect Arrows
Level 15 : Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Level 18 : Grandmaster of Forms
Level 19 : F1: Weapon Focus Slash
Level 20 : F2: Weapon Focus Pierce
Level 21 : Overwhelming Critical
Level 24 : Improved Martial Arts
Level 26 : Perfect Two Weapon Fighting
Level 27 : Vorpal Strikes
Level 28 : Tactician
Level 29 : Dire Charge
Level 30 : Epic Damage Reduction
Level 30 : Scion of the Ethereal
(Scion of Astral if no Sneak of Shadows)
(Quicken Spell if no Completionist)


Epic Destiny: Legendary Dreadnought

Extra AB 3/3
Legendary Tactics 3/3
Con +1

AB: Damage 3/3
Con +1

Critical Damage 3/3

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Advancing Blows (2 pts)
Devastating Crit (2 pts)

Master's Blitz (2 pts)
Pulverizer (2 pts) (If it works?)

Twists: 4/3/2/1/1

Sense Weakness
Balanced Attacks
Hail of Blows
Rejuvenation Cocoon
A Dance of Flowers


Enhancements:

Shintao: 36 AP
Cores 4/6
Deft Strikes 3/3 (6 pts)
Elemental Curatives 4/4 (4 pts)
Iron Skin 3/3 (6 pts)
Unbalancing Strike (2 pts)
Smite Tainted Creature (2 pts)
Jade Strike (2 pts)
Tomb of Jade (2 pts)
+1 Wis
Violence Begets Violence (2 pts)
Empty Hand Mastery (2 pts)
Kukan Do (2 pts)


Tempest: 9 pts
Core 2/6
Item Defense 1/3
Improved Defense 3/3
Haste Boost 3/3

Deepwood: 7 pts
Core 2/6
Stealthy 3/3
Increased Empathy 1/3
Improved Weapon Finesse

Ninja Spy: 14 AP
Cores 3/6
Sneak Attack Training 3/4 (6 pts)
Subtlety 1/3
Acrobatics 2/3
Fist of Iron (2 pts)

Henshin: 11 AP
Cores 3/6
Animal Form (2 pts)
Mystic Training 3/3
Contemplation 3/3

Human: 3 pts
Core 1/5
Improved Recovery (2 pts)


Gear:

L Executioner's Helm (Ins deception +7, Relentless Fury, Seeker 17, Qual CM+4, Mythic +3)
L Pendant of Warrior's Focus (Ins CM +6, Ins DS +7, AP 21, Mythic +3)
E Litany (+2 stats, +4 hit and damage)
LGS Cloak (70 HP, 39 dex skills) OR CC Cloak (Spell Resist of Natural Armor, Ins Spell Resist)
L Animated Rope (Diversion 28, SA +14, Dodge 17, CM 14 (Ins), Mythic +3)
Voice of Deceit (Imp Deception)
L Ring of Prowess (Deadly 14, Accuracy 28, MP 8, Mythic +3)
CC Gloves (Dstrike/Hamp/Ins Dex)
Slave craft Boots (Dex/Resistance/Tendon Slice/Q Dex/+3 Mythic)
Slave craft Bracers (Con/AP/Vertigo/Q Wis/+3 Mythic)
Visions of Precision (Wis 12, Ins Wis 4, Stunning 15, Mythic +3)
Outfit of the Celestial Guardian (Fort 159%, Q DS 4, Q Deadly 3, Sheltering 38, Parrying 7, Blurry, Deathblock, Mythic +4)
T3 TF Wraps
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Re: U33 Unarmed Theorycraft
Reply #1 - Oct 20th, 2016 at 3:09pm
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As a bonus, if this turns out to suck for DPS using wraps it can easily be converted to a good shuriken build with some feat swaps and enhancement changes.
  
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Reply #2 - Oct 20th, 2016 at 3:16pm
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do handwrap bonuses apply to wolf form?
  
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Reply #3 - Oct 20th, 2016 at 3:21pm
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do handwrap bonuses apply to wolf form?


No.
  

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Re: U33 Unarmed Theorycraft
Reply #4 - Oct 20th, 2016 at 3:44pm
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5 Foot Step wrote on Oct 20th, 2016 at 2:06pm:
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Minor nit: that needs 4 ranger, so you couldn't stick it there.
  

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Re: U33 Unarmed Theorycraft
Reply #5 - Oct 20th, 2016 at 4:04pm
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I was thinking about a 16monk/4 warlock aura / qp / melee build, but that's not going to work without wisdom to hit / damage which I don't see anywhere.

Looking at the alternate stats, ninja spy is a big disappointment, dex won't work unarmed, int might work with the harper tree, but isn't really worth the AP investment (+ feat for insightful reflexes). Ranger is the obvious one, but keeping aura means giving up QP, or keeping QP means giving up aura.

5 Foot Step wrote on Oct 20th, 2016 at 11:32am:
There is no build that can't be 2-shotted, so the most important thing is avoiding getting hit at all.


It's a pity it seems like the devs still haven't changed damage reduction to be counted after PRR is applied. As it is now DR is pretty useless.

Damage mitigation:

Looks like from enhancements the best dodge cap is:
tempest +3 cap
ninja +3 cap
Shintao Ocean +5 insight
halfling +3  (looks really shit when compared to human though)
(ED +3 GMOF)

Miss chances:
Non Halfling:
Assuming AC is still useless:
Dodge 34, concealment 20, incorp 25 = 60.4%
Dodge 34, concealment 50, incorp 25 = 75.25%

Dodge 39, concealment 20, incorp 25 = 63.4%
Dodge 39, concealment 50, incorp 25 = 77.125%

Halfling:
Dodge 37, concealment 20, incorp 25 = 62.2
Dodge 37, concealment 50, incorp 25 = 76.35
Dodge 42, concealment 20, incorp 25 = 65.2
Dodge 42, concealment 50, incorp 25 = 78.25

Pretty much rules out Ocean stance and Halfling. I can't believe we're still working towards a +34 effective dodge cap, that hasn't changed since I left. Pretty disappointing really.

If 2 shotting is the rule it completely rules out Auras in EE / legendary though. for aura to be effective, you need a mob. With a 35%-25% chance of being hit, if you get mobbed you're dead.

There goes my idea for a 16m/4 warlock qp/cleaves/spring attack/ aura build Sad. It could be solid on <EE but everything is solid on EH down.

Next drop in levels is down to monk 12, in which case I'd go for 12monk/4fighter/4ranger.

Differences between my suggestion and 5 Foot Steps' :

  • I would drop a weapon focus to pick up the dodge feat if it's still a pre-req for the dodge chain in Ninja spy
  • I wouldn't pick up contemplation (ergo the anything else in Henshin Mystic), since fire stance looks like the go to stance now, Instead I'd get the MRR & PRR from stalwart defender.
  • Pick up I2WF as a fighter bonus feat rather than ranger grant.


This is dependant on Tempest enhancements working with handwraps after the update.  If they don't I'd drop ranger for rogue.
« Last Edit: Oct 20th, 2016 at 4:24pm by Munkenmo »  

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Re: U33 Unarmed Theorycraft
Reply #6 - Oct 20th, 2016 at 4:51pm
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Ah Pook wrote on Oct 20th, 2016 at 3:44pm:
Minor nit: that needs 4 ranger, so you couldn't stick it there.


You rejigger the order, obviously. It'll fit somewhere. Not my problem.

Munkenmo wrote on Oct 20th, 2016 at 4:04pm:
t's a pity it seems like the devs still haven't changed damage reduction to be counted after PRR is applied. As it is now DR is pretty useless.


True.

Munkenmo wrote on Oct 20th, 2016 at 4:04pm:
Looks like from enhancements the best dodge cap is:
tempest +3 cap
ninja +3 cap
Shintao Ocean +5 insight
halfling +3  (looks really shit when compared to human though)
(ED +3 GMOF)


There are some others. Ship buff for +2, Kensei for +3 off the top of my head, and 2 of the scion feat choices for +4. Maybe more.

Munkenmo wrote on Oct 20th, 2016 at 4:04pm:
If 2 shotting is the rule it completely rules out Auras in EE / legendary though.


I wouldn't say it is the rule, it is more the extreme, I was basing that on LE sorjek and 10 skull reaper trash hitting for ~4k before PRR.

Munkenmo wrote on Oct 20th, 2016 at 4:04pm:
I would drop a weapon focus to pick up the dodge feat if it's still a pre-req for the dodge chain in Ninja spy


It's not. It is for Kensei and Tempest, though I won't need it unless I really crank up the max dodge.

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Munkenmo wrote on Oct 20th, 2016 at 4:04pm:
I wouldn't pick up contemplation (ergo the anything else in Henshin Mystic), since fire stance looks like the go to stance now, Instead I'd pick up hasteboost in the Kensai tree.


I'll be in wind stance, since I have dex to damage and the doublestrike bonus now stacks with everything. Also I want points in Henshin anyway because the cores give melee power now.

Munkenmo wrote on Oct 20th, 2016 at 4:04pm:
This is dependant on Tempest enhancements working with handwraps after the update.  If they don't I'd drop ranger for rogue.


They worked on Lamma.
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Reply #8 - Oct 20th, 2016 at 9:45pm
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Anyone feel like the monk attack animation got fucked?
Range of the wraps feels shorter now too.
  

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Reply #9 - Oct 20th, 2016 at 10:58pm
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5 Foot Step wrote on Oct 20th, 2016 at 2:06pm:
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Strongly considering something like this. Does it melee and do ranged?
  

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Reply #10 - Oct 21st, 2016 at 7:13am
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Dex seems to be working with unarmed from Ninja Spy.
  

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Reply #11 - Oct 23rd, 2016 at 4:50am
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How do wolf form and ww interact with new hwraps now?
I liked a old 15 monk 3 wolf 2 fighter build with qp back in the qp days.
dm and kta are antireqs now?
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Reply #12 - Oct 23rd, 2016 at 8:22am
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Lelouch wrote on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 4:50am:
dm and kta are antireqs now?

they said so. idk if it locks out. havent tested

Lelouch wrote on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 4:50am:
How do wolf form and ww interact with new hwraps now?

from mobo reports ww seems to have been gimped from old unarmed version. might also have been a way to slightly nerf trees. also, wraps in wolf form do not give SWF icon.
  

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Reply #13 - Oct 23rd, 2016 at 9:54am
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mhm k.
Wil see what il roll with when im finished with this season.
(fkn nolifing at work more then in ddo)

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Rubbinns wrote on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 8:22am:
from mobo reports ww seems to have been gimped from old unarmed version. might also have been a way to slightly nerf trees. also, wraps in wolf form do not give SWF icon.


Yepper. WW borked.
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Reply #15 - Nov 9th, 2016 at 11:06am
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I am currently playing a variation on this build. Only 17 currently but similar level split/feat selection.

Its gone pretty amazingly well. I hopped into an elite run of Grim and Berrit with 1 other guy who died on every encounter, and basically soloed the thing with(by the end) 3 people in tow. Made me feel manly.
  

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noamineo wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 11:06am:
Its gone pretty amazingly well.


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5 Foot Step wrote on Oct 20th, 2016 at 4:51pm:
They worked on Lamma.


They work on live as well.
  
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Rubbinns wrote on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 8:22am:
they said so. idk if it locks out. havent tested

from mobo reports ww seems to have been gimped from old unarmed version. might also have been a way to slightly nerf trees. also, wraps in wolf form do not give SWF icon.

i kno wasnt a swf build but during qp times and during release of pdk before first patvh char to tacticals worked.
So you coukd back then bypass low damage of wisdom monks that most played with a wolf monk as you could use qp and stun fist in w form transfer some ws etc.
Was a build fully operating on bugs and coiple ploits (old throwers big etc coupled with stuns n instakill).
Will take me a while to find something but im pretty sure i want to play around with a dex main and int wisdom qp dd hybrid biild in drreadnought (hope rverything works now).
Only 3 days til delivery btings my new baby, should be finally be capable of recording gameplay footagr for test purposes.

Munk in your post i see that you arent aware that dex works with to hit and damage now the dex in ninja spy also works with wraps now
  
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sry for typos and 2nd post but its fkn terrible to write on a mini samsung.
  
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Reply #21 - Dec 23rd, 2016 at 3:56pm
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Just to add, there are some bugs with wraps that make that split not the best unarmed monk dps atm.
People will figure it out eventually if a idiot like me did within 2 days of testing random builds
  
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Reply #22 - Dec 23rd, 2016 at 6:46pm
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Lelouch wrote on Dec 23rd, 2016 at 3:56pm:
Just to add, there are some bugs with wraps that make that split not the best unarmed monk dps atm.
People will figure it out eventually if a idiot like me did within 2 days of testing random builds


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5 Foot Step wrote on Dec 23rd, 2016 at 6:46pm:
Share plz.


Just test all animation with special strikes.
Good enough as hint Wink
  
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Lelouch wrote on Dec 23rd, 2016 at 9:50pm:
Just test all animation with special strikes.
Good enough as hint Wink


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