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lostthenloved Abbot Raider Offline I Hate Drama! Posts: 869 Joined: Nov 19^th, 2014	are there any good battle cleric builds anymore? Oct 25^th, 2016 at 11:52am	Print Post
	i wanna do a flavor build based off of one of my favorite characters from Forgotten Realms, a cleric of helm but im not do great with divines and im having trouble with the build, mostly because i wand good D.C's and melee damage without sacrificing the majority of my con, are there any decent battle cleric builds anymore? i can adapt it to my needs i just cant seem to find anything that isnt over 3 years old. also i know i will be using a bastard sword but are there any recommendations on if i should swf or sword and board?


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WonderfulFoppyBint Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Poooop Posts: 5947 Location: stockholm victim of hag master Joined: Oct 23^rd, 2013	Re: are there any good battle cleric builds anymore? Reply #1 - Oct 25^th, 2016 at 12:13pm	Print Post
	If you want good to mediocre melee dps and DC casting abilities you should play the... ...Bard! They can hit the required enchant DCs but the spell pen will probably fuck you. If you're just looking for a leveling build I'd reccomend going either Caster or Melee DPS.
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	OUR GOD: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1l7N-WLa3Q Right of Self-determination: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8bqQ-C1PSE volt_ wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2017 at 4:43pm: Be a container for your genes to control your behavior in order to reproduce
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WonderfulFoppyBint Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Poooop Posts: 5947 Location: stockholm victim of hag master Joined: Oct 23^rd, 2013	Re: are there any good battle cleric builds anymore? Reply #2 - Oct 25^th, 2016 at 12:14pm	Print Post
	14 cleric / 6 fighter isn't too shit. Go THF with a maul. 17 cleric / 3 swashbuckler is more shit but more cleric. Only 11 AP for swash dps + 3 SWF feats. Some ideas anyway.
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	OUR GOD: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1l7N-WLa3Q Right of Self-determination: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8bqQ-C1PSE volt_ wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2017 at 4:43pm: Be a container for your genes to control your behavior in order to reproduce
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Tilo Ex Member	Re: are there any good battle cleric builds anymore? Reply #3 - Oct 25^th, 2016 at 12:32pm	Print Post
	LD Acrocaster Cleric 5 rogue 12 cleric 3 fighter or pali


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Technomage Epic Poster Offline And so it begins... Posts: 4444 Location: Tucson, AZ Joined: Aug 27^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: are there any good battle cleric builds anymore? Reply #4 - Oct 25^th, 2016 at 1:26pm	Print Post
	BF FvS 20

	Do not try the patience of wizards, for they are subtle and quick to anger. We are dreamers, shapers, singers, and makers. We study the mysteries of laser and circuit, crystal and scanner, holographic demons and invocation of equations. These are the tools we employ, and we know many things. The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
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WonderfulFoppyBint Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Poooop Posts: 5947 Location: stockholm victim of hag master Joined: Oct 23^rd, 2013	Re: are there any good battle cleric builds anymore? Reply #5 - Oct 25^th, 2016 at 1:28pm	Print Post
	Technomage wrote on Oct 25^th, 2016 at 1:26pm: BF FvS 20 +1 this was a lot of fun with an ESOS
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	OUR GOD: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1l7N-WLa3Q Right of Self-determination: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8bqQ-C1PSE volt_ wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2017 at 4:43pm: Be a container for your genes to control your behavior in order to reproduce
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lostthenloved Abbot Raider Offline I Hate Drama! Posts: 869 Joined: Nov 19^th, 2014	Re: are there any good battle cleric builds anymore? Reply #6 - Oct 25^th, 2016 at 7:48pm	Print Post
	it has to be bastard sword, its just for fun though so il figure it out i guess.14/6 seems good but no maul for me.


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Technomage Epic Poster Offline And so it begins... Posts: 4444 Location: Tucson, AZ Joined: Aug 27^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: are there any good battle cleric builds anymore? Reply #7 - Oct 25^th, 2016 at 10:51pm	Print Post
	lostthenloved wrote on Oct 25^th, 2016 at 7:48pm: it has to be bastard sword, Sorry. Missed that part.

	Do not try the patience of wizards, for they are subtle and quick to anger. We are dreamers, shapers, singers, and makers. We study the mysteries of laser and circuit, crystal and scanner, holographic demons and invocation of equations. These are the tools we employ, and we know many things. The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
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[] Madame President Offline Posts: 10532 Joined: Oct 16^th, 2015	Re: are there any good battle cleric builds anymore? Reply #8 - Oct 26^th, 2016 at 2:22pm	Print Post
	implying there were ever any "good battle cleric builds" LOL!


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Frank Puppy Farmer Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1429 Joined: Jan 14^th, 2016	Re: are there any good battle cleric builds anymore? Reply #9 - Nov 8^th, 2016 at 2:36pm	Print Post
	lostthenloved wrote on Oct 25^th, 2016 at 11:52am: i wand good D.C's and melee damage without sacrificing the majority of my con, are there any decent battle cleric builds anymore? [...] also i know i will be using a bastard sword but are there any recommendations on if i should swf or sword and board? Your problem is you want too much. You can't have melee and DC casting in a cleric build, pick one or the other. Cleric 15/Paladin 2/Fighter3 gives you 8th level cleric spells so a huge amount of buffs and protections (you don't need mass heal and implosion is out due to that DC thing), great saves, and some kensei. Your melee damage will still be sub-par but you will be nigh unkillable. You need to go with a 2-hander if you want acceptable melee damage. Start with an 8 Wis and 18 Str and all stat ups in Strength. Con as high as it can go. You'll have to drink Owl pots to memorize and cast until you pick up a +Wis item, but you wanted to be a 'battle' cleric, not a healer or caster. Well, you want to be a 'battle' cleric and a DC caster but that's not happening.

	No, let me be Frank. Digimonk wrote on Dec 8^th, 2016 at 12:39pm: I've had multiple RoSS rot just from doing the explorer points in Sands across multiple lives since it is exclusive. Smart players know how to use buyback. Digimonk wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2016 at 1:58pm: I will not chone. I did what I did intentionally and while my primary purpose was not to annoy the other Vaulties, I acknowledge that it was a side effect. Smart people don't elicit "side effects."� They understand in advance the consequences of their actions.
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[] Madame President Offline Posts: 10532 Joined: Oct 16^th, 2015	Re: are there any good battle cleric builds anymore? Reply #10 - Nov 8^th, 2016 at 3:56pm	Print Post
	Frank wrote on Nov 8^th, 2016 at 2:36pm: Your problem is you want too much.� You can't have melee and DC casting in a cleric build, pick one or the other. Cleric 15/Paladin 2/Fighter3 gives you 8th level cleric spells so a huge amount of buffs and protections (you don't need mass heal and implosion is out due to that DC thing), great saves, and some kensei.� Your melee damage will still be sub-par but you will be nigh unkillable.� You need to go with a 2-hander if you want acceptable melee damage.� Start with an 8 Wis and 18 Str and all stat ups in Strength.� Con as high as it can go.� You'll have to drink Owl pots to memorize and cast until you pick up a +Wis item, but you wanted to be a 'battle' cleric, not a healer or caster.� Well, you want to be a 'battle' cleric and a DC caster but that's not happening. Yeah, in heroics; you're not going ANYWHERE with THAT shit in epics.


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Tilo Ex Member	Re: are there any good battle cleric builds anymore? Reply #11 - Nov 8^th, 2016 at 5:49pm	Print Post
	Frank wrote on Nov 8^th, 2016 at 2:36pm: Your problem is you want too much.� You can't have melee and DC casting in a cleric build, pick one or the other. If you go int based with Harper and use epic int based spells you can.


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Frank Puppy Farmer Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1429 Joined: Jan 14^th, 2016	Re: are there any good battle cleric builds anymore? Reply #12 - Nov 9^th, 2016 at 9:09am	Print Post
	Quote: If you go int based with Harper and use epic int based spells you can. Not really. Or at least it is a very limited kind of "DC casting" that ignores what almost anyone thinks of as cleric DC casting.

	No, let me be Frank. Digimonk wrote on Dec 8^th, 2016 at 12:39pm: I've had multiple RoSS rot just from doing the explorer points in Sands across multiple lives since it is exclusive. Smart players know how to use buyback. Digimonk wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2016 at 1:58pm: I will not chone. I did what I did intentionally and while my primary purpose was not to annoy the other Vaulties, I acknowledge that it was a side effect. Smart people don't elicit "side effects."� They understand in advance the consequences of their actions.
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Frank Puppy Farmer Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1429 Joined: Jan 14^th, 2016	Re: are there any good battle cleric builds anymore? Reply #13 - Nov 9^th, 2016 at 9:22am	Print Post
	[] wrote on Nov 8^th, 2016 at 3:56pm: Yeah, in heroics; you're not going ANYWHERE with THAT shit in epics. Every time you open your yap you prove yourself to be just as stupid as Mookie. THAT shit works fine in epics. ANYWHERE. It's slow going due to low DPS, to be sure, but you never die. I've tanked everything except EE Deathwyrm on the build, and the only reason I never tanked there is because I was keeping the tank alive. I've pulled a dragon off of a poor tank in fotp who was letting it run all over the place killing people, and kept it facing me in a corner so the dps could do their job. And this was when cap was 28. The slow leveling started to bore me and so I've moved that character on to other builds.

	No, let me be Frank. Digimonk wrote on Dec 8^th, 2016 at 12:39pm: I've had multiple RoSS rot just from doing the explorer points in Sands across multiple lives since it is exclusive. Smart players know how to use buyback. Digimonk wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2016 at 1:58pm: I will not chone. I did what I did intentionally and while my primary purpose was not to annoy the other Vaulties, I acknowledge that it was a side effect. Smart people don't elicit "side effects."� They understand in advance the consequences of their actions.
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DoRayEgon Shroud Slacker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1042 Joined: Apr 4^th, 2014	Re: are there any good battle cleric builds anymore? Reply #14 - Nov 9^th, 2016 at 9:27am	Print Post
	14 Cleric 6 Fighter for Kensai Crit range and multi or 15 Cleric 5 Bard for Swash exploit weakness or 14 Cleric 3 Bard 3 Fighter for Swash and Defense stance


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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: are there any good battle cleric builds anymore? Reply #15 - Nov 9^th, 2016 at 11:05am	Print Post
	DoRayEgon wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 9:27am: 14 Cleric 6 Fighter for Kensai Crit range and multi or 15 Cleric 5 Bard for Swash exploit weakness or 14 Cleric 3 Bard 3 Fighter for Swash and Defense stance If "Good" = can easily/quickly level to 20 on an EBB, solo EH (maybe easier EE's), and participate in any EE/LE party and not embarrass yourself, then any of the above is fine. If "Good" = on par with top end game builds, then No. There are no melee cleric builds that are "Good".


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[] Madame President Offline Posts: 10532 Joined: Oct 16^th, 2015	Re: are there any good battle cleric builds anymore? Reply #16 - Nov 9^th, 2016 at 11:20am	Print Post
	Frank wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 9:22am: It's slow going due to low DPS, to be sure, but you never die. Hybrid clerics never die: and you're NOT a fucking moron.


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Digimonk Puppy Farmer Offline Posts: 1573 Joined: Apr 7^th, 2015	Re: are there any good battle cleric builds anymore? Reply #17 - Nov 9^th, 2016 at 1:44pm	Print Post
	lostthenloved wrote on Oct 25^th, 2016 at 11:52am: i wanna do a flavor build based off of one of my favorite characters from Forgotten Realms, a cleric of helm but im not do great with divines and im having trouble with the build, mostly because i wand good D.C's and melee damage without sacrificing the majority of my con, are there any decent battle cleric builds anymore? i can adapt it to my needs i just cant seem to find anything that isnt over 3 years old. also i know i will be using a bastard sword but are there any recommendations on if i should swf or sword and board? You want too much and will end up being a jack of all trades and master of none trying to maintain high melee DPS, high Con, and still DCs high enough to function in LE content. Divine DC casting is essentially an all-or-nothing approach.� It requires heavy investment in gear, feats, and stats to not be rendered ineffective in end-game content.� You'd be much better off either going with a melee-centric battle cleric which could be pretty solid or just going all-in on DC casting and not worrying about melee.� You'll want the Con on either option. If you want to run it as a flavor build, you need to accept that your melee dps will be mediocre and your DCs will likely be okay for EH/LH but not very useful in EE/LE.
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Frank Puppy Farmer Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1429 Joined: Jan 14^th, 2016	Re: are there any good battle cleric builds anymore? Reply #18 - Nov 9^th, 2016 at 4:36pm	Print Post
	Digimonk wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 1:44pm: Poorly restating things which had already been said by his beloved Daddy. Poor, poor Mookie... You stalk my posts but you're just too late to do any good for the OPs. Do try to make yourself useful, kid. It's the only thing you might do to escape your Daddy worship. Just get it right, kid, I know you can do it. I believe in you!

	No, let me be Frank. Digimonk wrote on Dec 8^th, 2016 at 12:39pm: I've had multiple RoSS rot just from doing the explorer points in Sands across multiple lives since it is exclusive. Smart players know how to use buyback. Digimonk wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2016 at 1:58pm: I will not chone. I did what I did intentionally and while my primary purpose was not to annoy the other Vaulties, I acknowledge that it was a side effect. Smart people don't elicit "side effects."� They understand in advance the consequences of their actions.
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Tilo Ex Member	Re: are there any good battle cleric builds anymore? Reply #19 - Nov 9^th, 2016 at 5:19pm	Print Post
	If you want to really style, you can use wisdom to hit/damage on flame blade from druid PL, with high int for KTA, decent charisma for CKT. Then in epics your rotation becomes godly.� LD with action boost running/sense weakness +EB twisted for 130% helpless damage. 1 Dire charge (wis to hit, (wis DC + 1/2 int + 1/3 charisma)) 2 Hell ball (int) (6 sec CD) 3 BoGW (wis)(evo) 4 Hellball (int) EB as timer allows, melee in-between for entertainment.
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Digimonk Puppy Farmer Offline Posts: 1573 Joined: Apr 7^th, 2015	Re: are there any good battle cleric builds anymore? Reply #20 - Nov 10^th, 2016 at 12:20am	Print Post
	Frank wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 4:36pm: Hey everybody! Look at me! I'm cool, too.


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Frank Puppy Farmer Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1429 Joined: Jan 14^th, 2016	Re: are there any good battle cleric builds anymore? Reply #21 - Nov 10^th, 2016 at 12:40am	Print Post
	Digimonk wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 12:20am: I imitate my Daddy to show how much I love him and desperately need his attention! Poor kid.

	No, let me be Frank. Digimonk wrote on Dec 8^th, 2016 at 12:39pm: I've had multiple RoSS rot just from doing the explorer points in Sands across multiple lives since it is exclusive. Smart players know how to use buyback. Digimonk wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2016 at 1:58pm: I will not chone. I did what I did intentionally and while my primary purpose was not to annoy the other Vaulties, I acknowledge that it was a side effect. Smart people don't elicit "side effects."� They understand in advance the consequences of their actions.
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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: are there any good battle cleric builds anymore? Reply #22 - Nov 10^th, 2016 at 9:14am	Print Post
	Quote: If you want to really style, you can use wisdom to hit/damage on flame blade from druid PL, with high int for KTA, decent charisma for CKT. Then in epics your rotation becomes godly.� LD with action boost running/sense weakness +EB twisted for 130% helpless damage. 1 Dire charge (wis to hit, (wis DC + 1/2 int + 1/3 charisma)) 2 Hell ball (int) (6 sec CD) 3 BoGW (wis)(evo) 4 Hellball (int) EB as timer allows, melee in-between for entertainment. By "style" you mean wield a +5 scimitar that does nothing but flame damage? And has no synergy with Helm? Even against mobs that don't resist fire, that weapon is crap in epics. It is not breaking any DR. And good luck running anything with devils or demons in it. And you can't unequip them to switch to a scroll or anything. If you do, you have to resummon and you only get 3 per rest. This build isn't a DC build at all. It is a pure melee cleric. It will have no good DC's or spell pen. If you are doing this, you might as well dump wisdom and go pure int. You can use that for to hit, damage, KTA, boGW, hellball, and Dire charge, so don't split the stats. Wisdom is bringing nothing to the table besides spell points. And then you can use a real weapon that does real damage and breaks DR. And you can unequip it if you need and it won't disappear.


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Digimonk Puppy Farmer Offline Posts: 1573 Joined: Apr 7^th, 2015	Re: are there any good battle cleric builds anymore? Reply #23 - Nov 10^th, 2016 at 10:33am	Print Post
	Frank wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 12:40am: Guys?... hey guys...


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Frank Puppy Farmer Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1429 Joined: Jan 14^th, 2016	Re: are there any good battle cleric builds anymore? Reply #24 - Nov 10^th, 2016 at 11:47am	Print Post
	Digimonk wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 10:33am: Please love me, Daddy! Look, kid... I'm sick of your Daddy issues with me. Try to contribute something. I know it's hard with your tiny little brain completely filled up with what I'm doing, but try. You might actually like the results.

	No, let me be Frank. Digimonk wrote on Dec 8^th, 2016 at 12:39pm: I've had multiple RoSS rot just from doing the explorer points in Sands across multiple lives since it is exclusive. Smart players know how to use buyback. Digimonk wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2016 at 1:58pm: I will not chone. I did what I did intentionally and while my primary purpose was not to annoy the other Vaulties, I acknowledge that it was a side effect. Smart people don't elicit "side effects."� They understand in advance the consequences of their actions.
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