omg stfu plz juss fuken DIE you stooped feggit.

Frank wrote on Nov 9^th, 2016 at 9:55am:


OK Mr. "clerics never die."

It looks like it working great to me, I even had whirling wrists, the bardsong echo, and a bunch of other speed boosters running and the axe rolled a hit everytime I threw.

Why didn't they announce that they fixed this one?

I'm fairly certain it's fixed now. I ran for a couple hours last with it, which was cool. But it really gets back to the shuriken being far superior delivery system after say 14 level, and in a class of it's own once you hit epics.

Digimonk wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 10:34am:

Hag Master wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 5:39pm:


Now that shuri multipliers are fixed, and since a bard can get Shuriken Expertise, Throwing Axes just can't keep up with a bard chucking stars.

Hag Master wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 11:12pm:


Lies, you are congenitally incapable of appreciating anything other than cocks.

Hag Master wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 11:12pm:


Funny thing for a God forsaken faggot to say.

Metal-Beast wrote on Nov 14^th, 2016 at 11:02pm:


In spite of IPS being fixed for axes the shuriken still reigns supreme.

Shuriken throwers can use the shuriken expertise feat. This gives the shuriken thrower a chance to throw a additional shuriken every time he throws. The chance is a percentage based on your dex score. That expertise % is of a type that is independent of other sources. This means the bard has two separate doubleshot bonuses running.  Swashbuckling also increases the crit profile of the shuriken by +2/+1. This combined with all the doubleshot generated throws make it desirable.

Also you should consider this, the real damage of throwing weapons is the attribute bonuses that are added on to it and the weapon effects of the weapon, and the weapon delivered abilities of classes, enhancements, and epic destinies. What this means is that the number of attacks made by the weapon become paramount, and far outweigh the base damage.

That's why the shuriken is currently the superior platform for throwing bards and basically every other thrower build. Of course for Monk based throwers with the extra ninja doubleshot the difference becomes even bigger and for one of them to use anything other than a shuriken would be a nutty way to gimp themselves. 

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Thanks. Shuriken Expertise is what I was missing in this scenario.

I should know better too, since everyone knows the order of operations is Threat > Multiplier > Base Damage.

And gimp is how I roll my toons, so I'm all in for some throwing axe lulz. 

Cairnoir wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 6:41am:


Pulling your head out of your ass is the first step; your life will change for the better thereafter.

Digimonk wrote on Nov 16^th, 2016 at 12:05pm:


...or you could just go for a REAL build; either way.

Just die already, faggot.