I dunno, do yo think you could get a shard and/or seal in the next century without cheating?

That's the problem.  The Ross isn't good in standard form.   But the epic version is still great.  But absent any dupe or bag bug style transfer abilities, getting the seal and shard are still nearly impossible.  Most people just get a bauble and be done with it.

EDIT:  Also, depends on the price.  for 30-40 shards, for example, sure, it's probably worth having, just in case.  At hundreds of shards?  No thanks.

Asheras wrote on Dec 8^th, 2016 at 6:44am:


Why dupe the seal and shard for transfer when you can just do it with the essence and transfer. Much more efficient.

Asheras wrote on Dec 8^th, 2016 at 6:44am:


I paid 150 shards after I decided obsessing over how I spend my imaginary video game money wasn't worth a whole ton of energy.


Cleridin wrote on Dec 8^th, 2016 at 10:34am:


Sadly this only works when you know someone willing to do the transfer to you

noamineo wrote on Dec 8^th, 2016 at 10:56am:


nolameos posts are 90% retarded BECAUSE he is also 90% retarded

Digimonk wrote on Dec 8^th, 2016 at 12:39pm:


I think the drop rate is a little lower than you suggest.  And 30-40 shards is nothing.  150 is a bit too steep, for my blood.  I'd agree with that.

Asheras wrote on Dec 8^th, 2016 at 1:38pm:



You still have enough slaver mats to sell? It's taking forever to get enough for a a full set much less the add ons. Totally agree on the ToEE stuff still selling fast.

Asheras wrote on Dec 8^th, 2016 at 1:36pm:

The drop rate for the shard is insanely bad.  The drop rate for the base item though isn't any worse than any of the other named items in the Sands wilderness area.  Should be able to get one in an hour or less by rolling temp iconic toons if you don't have incredibly bad luck on drops.

The base RoSS can be easily farmed if you care enough.  Roll up an iconic toon and pile on all the runspeed enhancements you can, run to the namer spawn point, see if the chest is there.  If not, recall, reset and try again.  Should take less than 5 minutes per run.

Assuming the runspeed suff below stacks, a 10 bard, 4 fighter, 1 barb PDK would likely be the best for this.  I think I recall that the runspeed bonus from Swift Defense seemed to be a bit wonky and required it to be toggled off and back on after zoning or something similar to get the movement boost.

Sustained = 75%
30% - Enhancement - Striding/Speed/etc.
10% - Base - 1 Barbarian
10% - ? - Fast Movement (tier 2 Swashbuckler)
10% - ? - Swift Defense (tier 4 Stalwart Defender)
15% - Action Boost - Expeditious Chant (tier 5 Warchanter)

Boosted = 120%
40% - Enchancement - Shadow Walk (level 5 Bard spell) - can sub Haste at 32% if the graphic stuff with Shadow Walk bothers you.
10% - Base - 1 Barbarain
10% - ? - Fast Movement (tier 2 Swashbuckler)
10% - ? - Swift Defense (tier 4 Stalwart Defender)
50% - Action Boost - Sprint (tier 2 Warchanter or tier 2 Frenzied Berserker)

Digimonk wrote on Dec 8^th, 2016 at 3:57pm:


If you want to roll up an iconic and run back and forth through the desert for a ring that most people don't want, go for it.  I think the market is limited.  I have 3-4 of them.   Which is more than enough for my caster characters. 

Let's say it takes you 20 minutes to pull an RoSS.  In that time, you could have run slavers part 1 or part 3 and have 30-40 mats.  Which, if you don't want to keep them, will easily go for 150 AS.  And sell in less than 1 hour, most likely.  And that's assuming inefficient full runs.  If you want to optimize, you can really kill it.

I don't understand why they don't just make the mats unbound like the old Shroud mats.

It wasn't game breaking because you still needed the shards.

If someone wants to farm, let them.

If someone can't be bothered and wants to pay, let them.

They should have made the weapons/armour/whatever bound as the brake.

People would have grouped like crazy looking for ideal weapon combinations. I can't remember the last time I saw LFMs for farming mats.

Just my opinion, though.

I always wind up leveling to Gianthold before I remember Sands exists.

Eross is amazingly great if you didn*t dupe cards for sp pots.
But the seal/shard drop rate is abysmall if you do it the fair way and totally not worth it as me  and a buddy did it for years aka offtimer sands raids with a full party of bots and we got every single seal shard multiple times but the stupid god..jakhfoashf ring stuff never dropped.

No idea how the accumulation of loot nowadays is but getting that stupid thing back then was one of my happiest moments in ddo /as well as a esos during its op times, gosh it was funny to brag with it as a monk to barbs in party.

Overall the items real use is for brag rights, trust me people will hate or doubt you for duping when you link it.
So, imho even getting it the fair way is worth it considering how good of a troll tool it is.
Regular ross has a average drop  rate 1 /100 runs id say considering we also spent months farming the base item with bots. But the regular rings worth isnt that high, imho not worth a single shard on shard ah