Only rule is that it needs to have a cleric emblem.

Give me pros/cons/options

Goals:

1. Fun
2. Survivable
3. Can solo LH
4. Can contribute meaningful dps both single-target and some AOE.


Go.

I guess you cannot go wrong with taking 6-8 fighter levels, kensei third core + tier fives. PDK/Shadar-Kai/Deep Gnome, worshipping Silvanus / Maul.

Head-Meat wrote on Dec 12^th, 2016 at 2:41pm:

bruh...

Head-Meat wrote on Dec 12^th, 2016 at 3:43pm:

you shouldnt have a hard time on LH solo even on a first life 28pt build. You can go caster cleric, wis based and reach the required Dcs easily since gear/stat inflation is overkill for anything under elite. at lv cap you should easily hit 60+ dc for all spells and that is enough to nuke through hard, handily. assuming your crafter levels arent in the 300+ range, and you dont have slaver mats or lgs mats. you can grab some of the more recent named loot. mainly the orbs, cloaks, and rings are all really good for casters right now.

Head-Meat wrote on Dec 12^th, 2016 at 4:29pm:



I just had a awesome weekend leveling a 6 Silvan cleric/ 12 barbarian/ 2 ftr. My Guildies were calling me "The Hammer of Sivan!" all day Sunday on raids. It's not top tier but it handled end game on Hard just fine and elite with a little adjustment.

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What's the advantage of Cleric over Fvs in this particular build?

Head-Meat wrote on Dec 12^th, 2016 at 10:26pm:


Devs done fucked it up with Clerics when they moved Positive healing Aura from lvl12 Core to Tier 5 during Enhancement crash.

It was always a fucking lvl12 core enhancement before that...Was it so fucking hard to make Clerics a teeny bit more viable?

Just swap Tier5 with Core 4 and Bamm fixed!

Head-Meat wrote on Dec 12^th, 2016 at 10:26pm:


Yes, I'm a huge fan of waterbreathing it's highly underrated.....

Actually you guessed it Meat, I like having access to Radiant  Servant tree during leveling. Works well if I expect I'm going to be doing a bit of soloing or regularly using  some pets and hirelings. Also, I just like clerics.  For a toon that was going to sit at end-game replacing FVS for Cleric would be the go, it also works better for flavor in that whole "Arrrrrgh I am the avatar of Silvanus!" makes more sense for a Favored Soul.

Either way you will have a whole bunch of fun playing it. I just wish I could find a way to have a Horc version, they have Horcs in forgotten realms you know.

Alex DeLarge wrote on Dec 13^th, 2016 at 2:20am:


For past lives, iconic and epic. You can't use burst while raging but divine healing and bliss work fine plus some of the other Radiant stuff. Depending on the quest and Destiny I can move it around and six levels gives lots of flexibility.

But for staying at Cap you would be able to squeeze a bit more dps out of a FVS version.

Rubbinns wrote on Dec 12^th, 2016 at 4:01pm:

A first life 28 point build w/o trapping is going to suck wind in Slaver's.  And a Cleric with their 2 whole skill points per level isn't going to be able to UMD shit, so no displacement in Larcener against those hard hitting archers, and as a first life no/poor spell absorb gear in S&R against the chain stunning umbers.

As a caster build you'll need the drow priestess opt in S&R for the cloak, and the helm and neck from Larcener for the spell power, spell points and lesser displace.  And of course Slaver's is best in slot right now, after you run the chain 15 times on LH.  It's more generous for the named drops, so that's something.

It's probably not impossible to run those at LH with that build and those limitations, but you'll need SP pots and a lot of time.

Frank wrote on Dec 13^th, 2016 at 10:46am:



Well, I never said 28pt build...

This toon has 25+ PLs, multiple displacement clickies, and a variety of other things. It may even be completionist. I can't remember if there's a new class I haven't done..

EDIT: No Warlock. That's right. So, not completionist anymore. I suppose I could do a quick warlock life. I hear they're easy.

Frank wrote on Dec 13^th, 2016 at 10:46am:

Since you've been civil lately and Rubbins has already provided the appropriate snark, I make the following counterpoint to your statement sincerely.

I recently leveled an old alt to 30.  It is a 12 monk, 6 rogue, 2 fighter qstaff, dex-based build.  I equipped it with a bunch of CC gear and a few of the newer BTA items from Slavers and U31.  It is a sub-optimal, first life, 28-point build with no displacement clickies, minimal spell absorb gear (no ioun stone), etc., but does just fine in LE Slavers.  To increase survivability, I did made some DPS concessions like Combat Expertise, Scion of the Shadowfell, and one or two other things but that's to be expected on a first lifer, especially an older build.

It's not amazing but it does contribute reasonably well to the group.  It dies occasionally, but not any more so than most of the non-first lifers in the PUGs.  While it has trapping skills, I don't bother disarming in LE Slavers because it takes too long and it doesn't die to traps anyway.

Rubbinns wrote on Dec 13^th, 2016 at 12:31pm:


Screen shot or shut up about it.  I can see you now, waiting for Divine Punishment to come off the 10 second cool-down in a group of 6-10 mobs.  Throwing no-meta Cometfall and watching everything save vs the knockdown, rolling through your 3 SLAs and watching them fail to kill stuff because your spell power is low and your crits worse.

Head-Meat wrote on Dec 13^th, 2016 at 12:34pm:
Rubbins did:
Rubbinns wrote on Dec 12^th, 2016 at 4:01pm:

Care to break down that 60+ DC?  And please remember, you don't get there until you get there, meaning you can't add the +7 evo DC from L Earthen Mantle, the +4 insight evo DC from Slave Master's Staff (needs all 3 run for a chance at the first drop), etc.  No L Pansophic Circlet, no Spinneret, Slaver's trinket, none of it.  Because you have to have the DCs in order to do the solo runs to get the items to make those DCs.

Digimonk wrote on Dec 13^th, 2016 at 2:22pm:

Since you've been civil recently I'll just point out that:
1) A first life character isn't going to have a CC skill high enough, or the rare mats/PEDs, to make much of anything;
2) Transferring BTA best in slot items isn't something a first life player has access to, and not even all players in general;
3) Clerics, and Divines in general, suck it up due to the lack of a class pass, which Monks enjoy;
4) Evasion is great, and Clerics tend to wear heavy armor.  Sure, you could build a cleric for evasion, but with 28 points where are the points for dex coming from?  Evasion is best when you actually make a reflex save.  You're not getting a 60+ DC w/o a decent Wiz, and you're eating a lot of HP loss of you pull from con for dex.

If all this boils down to is "I can move over all my BTA stuff and do it just the same on a 28 point char" then fuck, what is Rubbins even bragging about?  At that point it's just saying that the difference between 28 and 32 points isn't that much, given the gear inflation.  Which is true, but goes without saying.  Do the same w/o twinking the shit out of your 28 point character and making it essentially a carbon copy of your main just w/o a 32 point build and EPLs, then you and Rubbins can brag about how you crush LH content solo on a fresh character.  It ain't fresh if it's wearing a pile of old gear.