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Dec 25th, 2016 at 6:31am
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Having done Shroud many times, made caster sticks but not melee accesory set yet.

What slots did you choose for hp set ?
Did you go for build specific gearset or more for "universal melee" in case you ever tr into other class or build ?

If you would go for universal items, what slots would you choose ?

Unconsciousness range x 3 is no brainer, what about the effects on second item ?
Do the saves or elemental resistances  on LGS stack with other sources like Resistance or Parry ?

Oh one more thing, does the hp bonus stack with pally or fighter stance AND Sentinel destiny hp bonus ?

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Reply #1 - Dec 25th, 2016 at 12:24pm
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Goggles and cloak were my slots since slave lords doesn't compete there.
Hide item + HP is good. I'd say its the only other one besides UNCON range that is good.
With slave lords though you might go for HP set. HP set can not be worn with Hide + HP item.

Pally and fighter stances are exclusive, but both stack with Sentinel HP bonus, and GS.

A competing set of goggles would be Cannith Crafted.
A competing cloak would be Mysterious or Cannith.

For a toon with complex stats, I would use an INT shroud stick for KTA if possible.
Dex-based toons seem to have an advantage because of their synergy with Hide, and the ability to drop a stat.

Monks are the worst. I don't run any Shroud gear on them because of the stats and tactics gear needed; however, the changes to Improved Deception means Unbalancing Strike can completely replace that effect. Ghostly can be gotten via ninja spy. This helps a lot with their gearing.

Hp set should be trip negative + trip positive IMO. Some displacement clickies in them are nice.

YMMV, as always.
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Reply #2 - Dec 26th, 2016 at 4:57am
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Wonder could you help me with your gear foo as well?


Gear slot wise its a palie monk that doesn't focus on speed.
Most important slot wise are melle power, con, char, str, wisdom deadly, seeker stunning in that order.
Resistance n such will be sloted as fit, what would you suggest on how to craft slavers gear and if i can fit in shroud 2 set item?
ITs really a heavy stats starved build (i need dex as well for reflex but can live wout it).

I was busy testing all changes since i came back at begin of this month and had to get 3 deep shit lives out of the way before tring again.
Tests tests and tests gave no time to check and plan gear and il be 30 in couple days and if its possible to skip on the "check wiki for all gear slots since after doj release" it would be rly helpfull.
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Reply #3 - Dec 26th, 2016 at 10:04am
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ymmv, but am happy to share what I run
If you're running a monk and want HP set I wouldn't recommend it. Best options look like Boots / Necklace / Cloak. I run wind stance to give myself melee alacrity. I get my incorp from shadow fade. I run Dex-to-damage so I can dump STR. This helps with gearing. 11 AP in Ninja Spy is cheap and extremely effective. The extra SA and dex-to-hide make up for some of the loss of going elsewhere.

Required IMO
Ring1: Prowess (Deadly, Acc, Melee Power)
Body: Robes of the Celestial Guardian
Trinket: Epic Litany of the Dead
Helm: Legendary Executioner's Helm
Gloves: Cannith Crafted, Healing AMP of Doublestrike of Insightful (STR/DEX/ACC)
Goggles: Cannith Crafted, Wisdom of True Seeing of Insightful Wisdom + 2 Festive Aug

Slave Lords
Bracers: Constitution, Resistance 14, Stunning, Quality Con
Belt: PRR, Devotion, Vertigo (Unbalancing Strike), Quality PRR
Ring2: Dexterity, Devotion Lore, Tendon Slice, Quality Dexterity. Bust applied for 3 MP. ---> Make STR item if not dex build

debateable
Necklace: Pendant of Warrior's Focus //// or Golden Guile //// or LGS
Cloak: Cannith Crafted, Hide + Dodge + Insightful PRR //// or LGS hide + HP //// or Mysterious Cloak //// or LGS unconc range //// SWAP Jeweled Cloak
Boots: LGS Unconcious Range Item. //// Slave lords STR or Wisdom for 5-piece, but you'd edit goggles OR doj fom boots with haste if you're not runnin wind stance. There are some other options here. I think boots of Innocence are great until you get some of the other pieces. They get you the stunning / vertigo and haste cheap.

other stuff
Ring2: Ring of Lies (if not running Unbalancing Strike) /// Cannith Crafted, Devotion of Positive Lore of Insightful PRR

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Reply #4 - Dec 26th, 2016 at 12:05pm
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Hmm interesting gear choices /im not running unbala strike just jade for the psyh vulner /really not speed focused build, i entirely drop alatricity.
Is a sort of tree build
Checkd, but how about guardian robe?
Or are crafted cc giving more deadly /dstrike quality bonuses
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Reply #5 - Dec 26th, 2016 at 12:35pm
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LGS set is not worth it.
  

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Reply #6 - Dec 26th, 2016 at 1:00pm
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You sure 5 foot?
Would give me incredibly high hp on a con based char with plifes , keep in mind full time melle, no kiting ranged etc, and a melle that pulls red nonstop no matter the content.
Guildie also tells me to focus purely on slavers crafting since we have 5 bots with dual chars for it /so i could finish that quite fast
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Reply #7 - Dec 26th, 2016 at 2:38pm
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I've posted current endgame gear for almost every one of my melee builds. None of them have more than 1 LGS accessory. I don't have a tree, but it shouldn't be all that different. You actually have less slots to waste being a 4 stat build as opposed to most of them being 2-3 stats.

Think of it this way: it is the inherent flaw of set bonuses. You're considering using 3 equipment slots to get one nice (not game-breaking or build-making, but nice) set bonus effect. You'll have 9 other effects on that GS, but they will be meh (and no mythic bonus or augment slots!).

Now compare it to slaver gear or modern named items. These will typically have 5 top-of-the-line dead sexy effects each. The slaver set bonus is very good, it isn't game-breaking or build-making either, but each piece of that set is going to be worth slotting on it's own merit also.

For comparison:
L Executioner's Helm (Ins deception +7, Relentless Fury, Seeker 17, Qual CM+4, Mythic +3, augment slot)
L Animated Rope (Diversion 28, SA +14, Dodge 17, CM 14 (Ins), stacking melee power +3, augment slot)
generic Slave craft (anystat +17/Resistance 14/Tendon Slice 10/Q anystat +4/ stacking +3 Melee power/augment slot)

  

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Hmm yes, droping gsteel then, possibly only make 2 pair of wraps for effects as swap ins.
  
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Reply #9 - Dec 26th, 2016 at 4:59pm
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Ah didn't realize it was a tree build.
Go Boots / Necklace.
Those builds need HP before even deadly.
The Wind Stance is statistically equal to Fire stance for you I believe.
  

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some day you'll grow one budy, and won't feel the need to chime in on every thread in the vault having to do with builds with your "wisdom"


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Yeah, how dare I answer a build question in the builds section from a guy that I've worked on builds with before. [/sarcasm]

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5 Foot Step wrote on Dec 26th, 2016 at 5:53pm:
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Yeah, how dare I answer a build question in the builds section from a guy that I've worked on builds with before. [/sarcasm]

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oh don't get me wrong. not sayin' how dare ya', but that you seem to need to stick your dick in everything. you've worked every fucking thread in this section up and down
  

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Reply #13 - Dec 26th, 2016 at 11:31pm
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I kno about wind vs fire but techically i hit a point where fire stance is of more use to me then wind, reason being because i sometimes (and its really only used in bos fights and sometimes when i pull to much trash because of new aggromechanic) hotswap staff for qstrike and then back to wraps/form.
Gets my dstrike for initial burst rly high with burst n stuff and in that case i stay in fire stance.
Also as im running a 3 wiz split, with twilight my aura has longer duration Smiley
I played for couple levels with fire/wind stance and with my current playstyle it seems that i benefit more from fire even tho technically and from numbers on paper i should be 24/7 in wind but completition times just dont seem to point that out (couple lucky crits on that high base outpace your almost always 50% + dstrike as it seems that the higher base the less dstike vs multi is worth it)
Its not really a build made for grouping.
Will check and ingame discuss with some people as well if il go gsteel or no.
Point is, i can farm slavers solo really fast in couple days for a full set of gear.
For shroud accs id would be best to do le shrouds which people rarely run on cannith, but if i decide on wraps only i can do it duo with buddy on ln or lh with 10 bots /and just loot chests since i dont need those codexes or whatever guildies and friends explained to me.

Also tnx guys for pointing out some named n ideas, really helpfull

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Thanks dude.

Goggles and cloak it is.
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Reply #18 - Dec 29th, 2016 at 3:12pm
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5foot and wonder can you check the setup atm?

Belt: CC Dodge of false life with insightfull con 7
Gloves: CC  Doublestrike of healing amp with accuracy
Ring 1: Legendary prowess
Ring 2:  Constitution of accuracy with stunning 20 and quality con   + leg ring of power for armor piercing when its needed
Necklace: Legendary warrior
Trinket: Elitanny
Armor: Celestial guardian
Helm: Slavers
Googles: wisdom of resistance with heal skill and quality wisdom or false life? (jade strike)
Cloack: Legendary greensteel? Or some slavers dexterity thing /but my reflex is high enough for any content or even remnant cloack for more amp...
Boots: Charisma of positive spellpower with tendon slice and quality prr
Weapon 1: Vacuum leg gsteel with 15 str insightful char and exceptional str 2 vacuum /for stacks
Weapon 2: Epic scraps (have 8 str slotted or make a swap in pair for cloack)
Weapon 3: Affirmation leg gsteel holy char 7 con excep /swap in for temp hp (easy to keep track of internal cd with my selfbuffs)



That is what came to mind after doing gear tetris for a hour or so.
Quite complicated since i need so many things /:

I did want to try to slot in leg gsteel set, but it really offers nothing beside the hp since effects to get it are all cr... (why are accesories for gsteel such a fail?)
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Lelouch wrote on Dec 29th, 2016 at 3:12pm:
5foot and wonder can you check the setup atm?

Googles: wisdom of resistance with heal skill and quality wisdom or false life? (jade strike)
Cloack: Legendary greensteel? Or some slavers dexterity thing


You can only slavecraft boots, bracers, belt, necklace, ring, and trinket.
  

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5 Foot Step wrote on Dec 29th, 2016 at 3:31pm:
You can only slavecraft boots, bracers, belt, necklace, ring, and trinket.


Ugh...

Then i could go with wisdom 8 augment /dc still works relatively well and do a cloack googs gsteel set?

And need to move resistance now hmm.
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Wait bracers, i missed bracers in setup.
Hmm then its quite possible to slot in gsteel hp set, issue i have is that ejidz give 50 stacking amp in fire stance, i have no clear idea how my lays will hit with maxed char and lack of amp.
Heal for 750ish witch cc char with only 1 heal amp item hmm.

Tnx for pointing out, i feel like im almost done
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