Digimonk wrote on Jan 4^th, 2017 at 5:45pm:

Yeah, don't do that.  Just run your current characters through the tutorial.  It might take a whole hour to run 10 characters through and collect 1 XP pot and 45 +25% boosts.  My mules live in the crafting hall already, since it has fast access to the bank, the mailbox, and the auctioneer.
Digimonk wrote on Jan 4^th, 2017 at 5:45pm:

Tell us all, how much money do you make per hour when you're not at work and are instead playing a video game?

Digimonk wrote on Jan 4^th, 2017 at 5:45pm:

I think it's fairly clear that the dumb-asses are the people who would rather be a Turbine whale or who claim that their leisure time should be valued at the same rate as they make per hour while on the job.


It's a simple choice:
Spend a single hour in game, get the tools needed to take your CC skill to the level you'll need to make L34 items for yourself.
-or-
Spend money to buy that same ability.
(And yes, you can spend TP earned for free by playing the game.  Anyone except Mookie understands that this is still an opportunity cost which prevents you from using those TP for other purposes)

One hour seems cheap to me, I "waste" more time in this game helping other people than that every week.  I have fun doing so, which is why I put "waste" in quotes.

Rubbinns wrote on Jan 6^th, 2017 at 1:11pm:

It depends.  If you're at cap and melt everything it won't take very long at all.  You'll get ~20-30 essences per item.  If you're at L1 you want get anything like that for melting your crap pulls.

Frank wrote on Jan 7^th, 2017 at 7:14am:

You talk about whales in the same post as you mention having 10+ characters...  FAIL.

10 toons != 30 tutorial cycles.   FAIL.

You *try* to prove a point about not making money while playing a video game then try to use the opportunity cost argument to support your own point.  FAIL.

Wipe wrote on Jan 7^th, 2017 at 8:15am:


BROKERS! Good thinking.

I'll do tha.t

Frank wrote on Jan 7^th, 2017 at 6:17pm:

And the other 20 tutorial cycles needed?  How much time for those?  How much extra time needed for the extra 10k+ essences due the lower xp and success rates?

Dude asked for the most efficient way and you offer this mess up and play it off like the opportunity cost of the extra hours needed is less than 1k TP and/or $10.

Since you like definitions for fancy terms, please go read up on straw man arguments and stop using them.

FAIL.

LOL.

Cairnoir wrote on Jan 9^th, 2017 at 4:36am:


Yep. That's the definition of MMORPG.

Rubbinns wrote on Jan 9^th, 2017 at 5:11am:


Just haven't seen anyone I'd mark as you on Titan. Figured you were keeping private for reasons.

Pretty sure I was in a pug with Rubbins last month.  Something about the chat gave me the impression anyway.  Titan seems to have picked up many new folk of late.  Lots of off the wall questions.

Mr Reilly wrote on Jan 9^th, 2017 at 3:40pm:

The unbound 30(34) shard is lvl 390.  Even with the 100% potion, if you only level up with minimum level shards, you'll zero out the XP on that between 380 and 385 iirc.  Even if you didn't, it will give very diminishing returns on XP as you get closer to 390.

Those last 10-15 levels suck more than the previous 385 combined due to requirement of 800 essences + 30 common collectibles + 10 uncommon collectibles + 5 rare collectibles + 10 PEDs per attempt.  The streaks of 4-6 failures are painful.

For what it's worth, eyeballing my collectibles bag after cycling thousands of instances to farm the collectibles, the drop rates roughly appear to be 1000 common --> 50-100 uncommon --> 10-15 rares.

After actually getting to 400, I'd have to say it was not worth it and would not do it again.  The real kick in the nuts by Turbine is that even at 400 crafting and with a 35% success booster, you only have around a 50% chance of success on the unbound insightful stat shards, which is of course what everyone actually wants.  People are not real keen on providing you the rare ingredients, the PEDs, and whatnot and having you fail 2-3 attempts in a row on their insightful con shard.

Even if you have a second account, it is much, much easier and faster to just level a toon on that account to 340 instead of going to 400 on your main account.  It's also far less costly in terms of mats in the long run since BTA takes about half or less mats than unbound.

Rubbinns wrote on Jan 9^th, 2017 at 4:33pm:


I'm not aiming to hit the 361 levels it'll take to start crafting ML30(34) shards, but they do seem to sell in the ASAH and would be useful for alt accounts. I bought a pair cheap shortly after the crafting pass, but wound up reselling them for the more recent and much higher price. Able to level to 311 before I needed them, but also not keen on spending 15PEDF to make a BTA item.

Rubbinns wrote on Jan 9^th, 2017 at 4:33pm:

What I posted will easily and quickly get you to 340 crafting assuming you bank up the 50k essences before you start.

If you stockpile enough Cannith essences, the same method will get you to 375, maybe 385ish.  Once you get past the 380-385 range, you'll need to start doing combines for shards that require the collectibles and PEDs.  That's when the suck starts.

But unless you have a burning reason to be able to craft unbound stuff, there really is zero point in spending the time and materials to go beyond 340 crafting skill.  340 skill = 100% success on all BTA shards and gear.

Head-Meat wrote on Jan 9^th, 2017 at 8:04pm:


Yep, seems that essences generated are also random but the higher the level of the loot the better income.
/prolly a simple formula like d2 x level of loot.

So best bet is to sort via level and buy cheapest lv 30 stuff.
After that follow the steps written here, success boosters from store + crafting xp pot and craft best min lv shard /swap between bound and unbound ones for best xp ratio.
(crafting of random effects costs collectible mats and doesnt provide as much xp/costs more then shards)

Frank wrote on Jan 10^th, 2017 at 3:04am:

Were you drunk posting?  If so, it didn't go well.  If you weren't drunk or high when you posted this, please stop until you've thoroughly read the thread.  Either this is a weirder than normal strawman, even for you, or you've missed a significant parts of what this thread is about.

Are you claiming that one can go from zero to 340 crafting using a 75% potion, 40-50k essences and only 45 25% success boosters?