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Reply #50 - Jan 11th, 2017 at 11:42am
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Rubbinns wrote on Jan 11th, 2017 at 10:05am:
you da man.

You hit 340?  If so, congrats!   

One more thing I'd recommend is that you keep an eye out for any RNG loot you get with green aug slots.   Those are the ones you want to disjunct and craft your level 30 stuff with.  They're fairly rare though.

The CC stuff is really good at filling in the gaps between the named loot and slavers crafted gear at level 30.

I TRd back around the first of December and discovered that CC gear rendered most of the old named items irrelevant outside of GH dragon armor and weapons.  The level 20 set was particularly nice given the slim pickings on good named gear between 20 and ~23/25.

My plan going forward is to make some template style CC gear sets for level 4, 10-12, 20-21 gear for TRing.  I'm going to make a Str and a Dex set for melee/ranged and a Cha, an Int, and a Wis set for casters. 

This will let me clear out several bank mules worth of old named loot that I'll never use now.  More space for test toons.  =)
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Reply #51 - Jan 11th, 2017 at 5:25pm
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Digimonk wrote on Jan 11th, 2017 at 11:42am:
You hit 340?  If so, congrats! 

not yet. didnt bother with the process yet. will tonight or tomorrow. I need to be really high before i click mouse for 30 minutes straight.
  

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Reply #52 - Jan 12th, 2017 at 12:06am
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Ahh, that's a good plan.
  
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Rubbinns wrote on Jan 11th, 2017 at 5:25pm:
not yet. didnt bother with the process yet. will tonight or tomorrow. I need to be really high before i click mouse for 30 minutes straight.

Just do it while you wait for a LE hox to fill.
  

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Reply #54 - Jan 13th, 2017 at 10:10am
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thanks for all the help, guys. am lv 340. took just under 50k essences, 1 100% xp crafting pot, bunch of success boosters, totaled 1200~ tp, 20 minutes time.

Now I have to grind nodes in low level quests. fml
  

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Reply #55 - Jan 13th, 2017 at 10:30am
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The necro 1 quests have a shit ton of those.
  
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Rubbinns wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 10:10am:
thanks for all the help, guys. am lv 340. took just under 50k essences, 1 100% xp crafting pot, bunch of success boosters, totaled 1200~ tp, 20 minutes time.

Now I have to grind nodes in low level quests. fml


Dat universe telling you it's TR time ........
  
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Reply #57 - Jan 13th, 2017 at 10:47am
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Rubbinns wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 10:10am:
Now I have to grind nodes in low level quests. fml


This guide from the mobos is pretty useful.

https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/478811-This-is-How-To-Farm-the-New-Col...
  

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Reply #58 - Jan 13th, 2017 at 11:07am
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Rubbinns wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 10:10am:
thanks for all the help, guys. am lv 340. took just under 50k essences, 1 100% xp crafting pot, bunch of success boosters, totaled 1200~ tp, 20 minutes time.

Now I have to grind nodes in low level quests. fml

Shame you're not on Ghallanda.  I could hook you up.
  
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Reply #59 - Jan 13th, 2017 at 11:14am
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spathic wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 10:47am:

Agreed. 

Motherj put a toon of work into that and it was extremely helpful.  Anyone who's on G-land and and uses that as a reference should send that guy a few rare mats or other goodies as a thank you.
  
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Reply #60 - Jan 13th, 2017 at 12:04pm
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Made a test yesterday.... and move from 60ish to 220+ in 20 minutes with the success boost + XP boost trick. Stopped before the end of the XP boost due to lack of ingredients.

So with the 10 more minutes on the XP boost, I suspect that 300 should have been doable without any issue.
  

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Reply #61 - Jan 13th, 2017 at 2:15pm
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spathic wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 10:47am:

Great, now all I have to do is LoD, Prisoner, Protect Baudry's Interest x30 each.
  

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Reply #62 - Jan 13th, 2017 at 2:54pm
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Rubbinns wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 2:15pm:
Great, now all I have to do is LoD, Prisoner, Protect Baudry's Interest x30 each. 


LoD and Prisoner are indeed great for the newer T5 ones.  Also, Last Stand out in Fens is great for those.  You can enter, grab 3-4 collectibles without starting the quest, recall and repeat.  With wings it is 30 secs per circuit, including recall and reset time.
  
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Reply #63 - Jan 18th, 2017 at 7:43am
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Digimonk wrote on Jan 10th, 2017 at 5:12pm:
Are you claiming that one can go from zero to 340 crafting using a 75% potion, 40-50k essences and only 45 25% success boosters?

For any value of a worthwhile level of crafting, yes that's what I'm saying.  I did it, so I know this is true.  And it didn't cost me a single TP DDOP.  I did also use the Cannith 10% boosters, but they cost plat so who cares?  I'm not at 340 but I don't need any more than the ~315 that I have since at that level I can make anything for myself
  

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Digimonk wrote on Dec 8th, 2016 at 12:39pm:
I've had multiple RoSS rot just from doing the explorer points in Sands across multiple lives since it is exclusive.


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Digimonk wrote on Dec 22nd, 2016 at 1:58pm:
I will not chone.

I did what I did intentionally and while my primary purpose was not to annoy the other Vaulties, I acknowledge that it was a side effect.


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Rubbinns wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 2:15pm:
Great, now all I have to do is LoD, Prisoner, Protect Baudry's Interest x30 each. 

Servants has a pile of collectables also.  And you can pick up all 3 collectables in unquiet graves without even starting the quest, then recall and reset.  Two of those are adventurer packs which can hold any kind of collectable.
  

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Digimonk wrote on Dec 8th, 2016 at 12:39pm:
I've had multiple RoSS rot just from doing the explorer points in Sands across multiple lives since it is exclusive.


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Digimonk wrote on Dec 22nd, 2016 at 1:58pm:
I will not chone.

I did what I did intentionally and while my primary purpose was not to annoy the other Vaulties, I acknowledge that it was a side effect.


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Flav wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 12:04pm:
the success boost + XP boost trick.



this reminds me of the time i beat a quest using the dps + walking forward trick
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Reply #66 - Jan 18th, 2017 at 12:59pm
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this reminds me of the time i beat a quest using the dps + walking forward trick


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Reply #67 - Jan 18th, 2017 at 6:45pm
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Frank wrote on Jan 18th, 2017 at 7:43am:
For any value of a worthwhile level of crafting, yes that's what I'm saying.  I did it, so I know this is true.  And it didn't cost me a single TP DDOP.  I did also use the Cannith 10% boosters, but they cost plat so who cares?  I'm not at 340 but I don't need any more than the ~315 that I have since at that level I can make anything for myself

You don't go from 0 to 315+ crafting with only a 75% potion, 40-50k essences and only 45 25% success boosters.  I call BS.

A) It takes more essences than that with a 75% potion and increased failures from the 25% boosters.
B) It takes more than 45 combine attempts to get anywhere near 315.
C) You just threw up another straw man.

Even if we accepted your straw man of using 10% boosters after the 45 25% boosters were gone, it's still BS.  10% boosters don't help much when you're crafting shards that have a default success rate of 1-10%.  You either waste a truckload of essences failing with the 10% boosters or you make shards with a higher base success chance which significantly lowers your XP per combine.

The only way you might possibly get to 315 from 0 with your method is during a crafting xp bonus weekend as the bonus XP would make up the difference from what you gave up by not using the 100% potion and 35% boosters.
  
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Reply #68 - Jan 19th, 2017 at 12:06am
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Digimonk wrote on Jan 18th, 2017 at 6:45pm:
You don't go from 0 to 315+ crafting with only a 75% potion, 40-50k essences and only 45 25% success boosters.  I call BS.

A) It takes more essences than that with a 75% potion and increased failures from the 25% boosters.
B) It takes more than 45 combine attempts to get anywhere near 315.
C) You just threw up another straw man.

Even if we accepted your straw man of using 10% boosters after the 45 25% boosters were gone, it's still BS.  10% boosters don't help much when you're crafting shards that have a default success rate of 1-10%.  You either waste a truckload of essences failing with the 10% boosters or you make shards with a higher base success chance which significantly lowers your XP per combine.

The only way you might possibly get to 315 from 0 with your method is during a crafting xp bonus weekend as the bonus XP would make up the difference from what you gave up by not using the 100% potion and 35% boosters.


I pretty much did it the way mentioned and it works and got me to 318 ... xp pot, success pot ... and bunch of essences and check with min level shards give most xp, bound or unbound and took ~15k essences.
  
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Cleridin wrote on Jan 19th, 2017 at 12:06am:
I pretty much did it the way mentioned and it works and got me to 318 ... xp pot, success pot ... and bunch of essences and check with min level shards give most xp, bound or unbound and took ~15k essences.

0 to 318 crafting with only 15k essences?   Am I misunderstanding your statement?  If not, video or it didn't happen.

If by some miracle, you can post a video actually proving it, you will be the f'ing man because you apparently found a significantly more efficient way of leveling crafting than multiple other reasonably intelligent crafters have been able to divine.

For reference:
https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/477767-My-experience-leveling-from-1-t...
https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/479516-Crafting-leveling-advice-(weeke...
https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/478925-My-crafting-experience-STATS!
https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/477194-Cannith-Crafting-More-Info-Reca...

There is a fairly good consensus between the motherboards and here that going from zero to 315 takes more than 15k essences, no matter how you do it.

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you are correct. I misspoke ... I had already started at level 167 or something like that from prior crafting experience even though I wasn't much of a crafter. It probably was closer to 25k essences or something ... so tbh I was wrong because I forgot those caveats.
  
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Digimonk wrote on Jan 18th, 2017 at 6:45pm:
Even if we accepted your straw man of using 10% boosters after the 45 25% boosters were gone, it's still BS.


First, look up straw man.  You are using it incorrectly.

Second, the reason you fail so much is that logic escapes you.  You don't use up all your 25% boosters and then swap to 10% boosters.  You use the 25% boosters when it makes sense and you use the 10% boosters when it makes sense.

You have no sense, and this is why you fail.

Digimonk wrote on Jan 18th, 2017 at 6:45pm:
10% boosters don't help much when you're crafting shards that have a default success rate of 1-10%.  You either waste a truckload of essences failing with the 10% boosters or you make shards with a higher base success chance which significantly lowers your XP per combine.

I don't recall doing any combines with a 1-10% success rate.  But it's been a while.  I certainly did not do any combines in the 1-9% range.  If I did do any at the ~10-20%, they were at the end and only provided perhaps ~5 skill points.  Near the end you do have to take risks, but the XP rewards are also greater.  A single ~35% combine can push you up a level, for example.  You can still make anything you want for yourself with less skill points, as long as you're willing to accept a small chance of failure.

Digimonk wrote on Jan 18th, 2017 at 6:45pm:
The only way you might possibly get to 315 from 0 with your method is during a crafting xp bonus weekend as the bonus XP would make up the difference from what you gave up by not using the 100% potion and 35% boosters.

Well of course I did this on a bonus weekend.  Why would I not take advantage of something offered for free?  You're the whale who would rather spend TP on things that drop in game for free...
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Digimonk wrote on Dec 8th, 2016 at 12:39pm:
I've had multiple RoSS rot just from doing the explorer points in Sands across multiple lives since it is exclusive.


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Digimonk wrote on Dec 22nd, 2016 at 1:58pm:
I will not chone.

I did what I did intentionally and while my primary purpose was not to annoy the other Vaulties, I acknowledge that it was a side effect.


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Frank wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 11:29am:
First, look up straw man.  You are using it incorrectly.

We're talking about doing something one way with a specific set of criteria then you show up and puke all over the thread trying to argue the opposite point while using a different set of criteria.  That's a textbook example of a straw man.  Same thing you did in the cleric DC build thread.  Seems to be your standard MO.

Frank wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 11:29am:
You don't use up all your 25% boosters and then swap to 10% boosters.  You use the 25% boosters when it makes sense and you use the 10% boosters when it makes sense.

I don't recall doing any combines with a 1-10% success rate.  But it's been a while.  I certainly did not do any combines in the 1-9% range.  If I did do any at the ~10-20%, they were at the end and only provided perhaps ~5 skill points.  Near the end you do have to take risks, but the XP rewards are also greater.  A single ~35% combine can push you up a level, for example.  You can still make anything you want for yourself with less skill points, as long as you're willing to accept a small chance of failure.

If this is what you think is the most efficient way to level crafting, you don't even understand what we're talking about, thus you are in no position to make determinations on failure.  As usual, I might add.

Frank wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 11:29am:
Well of course I did this on a bonus weekend.  Why would I not take advantage of something offered for free?  You're the whale who would rather spend TP on things that drop in game for free...

And here's another straw man. 
A)  We're not talking about *you* and how *you* leveled and we're not talking about a crafting bonus xp weekend.  It's obvious to everyone, except you apparently, and didn't need to be pointed out that if they can wait until a crafting xp bonus weekend, it will take less essences.  Some people are not inclined to wait for months for another bonus crafting weekend and thus we're discussing the most efficient way to level crafting under normal circumstances.
B)  Your incorrect assumptions about my TP spending habits has zero bearing on the main topic of this thread.   This isn't even a good straw man.  It's just stupid.


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Digimonk wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 9:25pm:
We're talking about doing something one way with a specific set of criteria then you show up and puke all over the thread trying to argue the opposite point while using a different set of criteria.  That's a textbook example of a straw man.


First, no.  That isn't the definition of a straw man.  Really, do as I said and look it up.  You might learn something.  And never use the word "textbook" again, you obviously have never opened one or you wouldn't be so confused about what a strawman is.

Second, the OP was entirely in the subject line.  I know you have difficulty with reading comprehension, so I'll paste it for you even though it has been in every fucking post in this 3 page thread:
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Are there any tips for lvling crafting efficiently


This was what was asked for, and this is what I provided.  A TP-free way to easily level crafting skill.  You can cry "straw man!" all day long if you like, but you're still just an idiot who can't understand the written word.
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Digimonk wrote on Dec 8th, 2016 at 12:39pm:
I've had multiple RoSS rot just from doing the explorer points in Sands across multiple lives since it is exclusive.


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Digimonk wrote on Dec 22nd, 2016 at 1:58pm:
I will not chone.

I did what I did intentionally and while my primary purpose was not to annoy the other Vaulties, I acknowledge that it was a side effect.


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From: http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/straw-man.html
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Description of Straw Man

The Straw Man fallacy is committed when a person simply ignores a person's actual position and substitutes a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented version of that position. This sort of "reasoning" has the following pattern:

Person A has position X.
Person B presents position Y (which is a distorted version of X).
Person B attacks position Y.
Therefore X is false/incorrect/flawed.

This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious because attacking a distorted version of a position simply does not constitute an attack on the position itself. One might as well expect an attack on a poor drawing of a person to hurt the person.

Person A has position X
People say 40-50k essences + 100% potion + 35% success boosters is the quickest, most efficient way to level crafting.

Person B presents position Y (which is a distorted version of X)
Dumdum says spending TP is the badz and not efficient.

Person B attacks position Y
Dumdum attacks spending TP and goes on to say it is better to spend time making new toons to farm tutorials for a 25% less efficient XP potion and 10% less efficient boosters and spend even more time gathering an additional 10-20k essences due to the lower efficiency of said potions and boosters.   He adds in the stipulations of no TP and using a crafting bonus weekend and which wasn't in the other peoples' suggestion because it only happens a few days per year.  Additionally, dumdum apparently doesn't realize the method of using the store bought potions and boosters would realize the same efficiency gains during a crafting bonus weekend.

Therefore X is false/incorrect/flawed
Dumdum says therefore using a 10% more efficient xp potion and 10-25% more efficient success boosters is less efficient.

Dumdum used a straw man and doesn't realize it.


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Second, the OP was entirely in the subject line.  I know you have difficulty with reading comprehension, so I'll paste it for you even though it has been in every fucking post in this 3 page thread:
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Are there any tips for lvling crafting efficiently

This was what was asked for, and this is what I provided.  A TP-free way to easily level crafting skill.  You can cry "straw man!" all day long if you like, but you're still just an idiot who can't understand the written word.

That's odd.  I don't see "TP-free way" in "Are there any tips for lvling crafting efficiently".
« Last Edit: Jan 24th, 2017 at 3:58pm by Digimonk »  
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