Deep Gnomes.

It's a + wis race?!

I missed that somehow (by not playing or paying attention for months).

Am I misunderstanding something?


EDIT: Question for clarification--If I did a wis-based class with a Deep Gnome (assume I'm crazy enough to +1LR out of the wizzy level) I can get higher wisdom than a human wis-based class. Correct?

Asheras wrote on Jan 4^th, 2017 at 9:39pm:



SWEET.

Thanks, bro.

Illiterate wrote on Jan 4^th, 2017 at 10:11pm:


Both.

I didn't even visit this section of the Vault for months.

Doesn't Human have the equal highest potential of any stat due to the +x stat whilst action boosts are active?

Gnome = 20base+2core
Human = 18base+1core+3boost

Munkenmo wrote on Jan 5^th, 2017 at 7:08am:


What action boosts are you using regularly on a divine?  Clerics only get Inflame, which is no help to a DC based build.  FvS and Druid (and humans) can get spellpower, which is OK, I guess, but, again, a DC based build is not typically spell power focused.  It is more CC and instakill.  Also they don't have a way to add extra action boosts.  Seems uneven to compare a permanent 22 to a 19 that can situationally be 22 for 20 seconds 5 times per rest, if you remember to click the boost.  And the AP Cost is the same, but the results are a bit different.  It would take 16 build points and 6 AP in Deep Gnome to get 20 base wisdom, +2% dodge, 4 MRR and +2 wisdom.  It would take 16 build points and 6 AP in Human to get 18 base wisdom, a 20 Spellpower boost for 100 seconds per rest, +1 wisdom, and +3 wisdom for 100 seconds per rest.

I'll take the dodge, MRR, and permanent wisdom, if max wisdom/DC is your goal.  Although the human does have the extra feat and skill points as well, which has value to the build. 

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Yeah. I get all theorycrafting with this, but the reality is that I'll be leveling heroics with two first-lifers played by an 8 and a 10 year old.

spathic wrote on Jan 5^th, 2017 at 12:49pm:





Mine are all into games. I was trying to figure out a way to leverage that for "quality time". DDO seemed like a win.

We'll see. 

Head-Meat wrote on Jan 5^th, 2017 at 12:36pm:

Ouch. How's your stock of res. cakes?

Revaulting wrote on Jan 6^th, 2017 at 4:42am:



 


Already carrying stones in Korthos. But, they don't mind. It's all new and fun for them.

Head-Meat wrote on Jan 6^th, 2017 at 11:39am:


Explains why you were looking for a cleric life.

Asheras wrote on Jan 4^th, 2017 at 9:39pm:


Although depending on how you spend points in your class trees, you might only be 2 Wis up on DG vs Human.

Getting +2 DG racial Wis meant getting 1 less Wis in a class tree for me.

Asheras wrote on Jan 5^th, 2017 at 9:06am:


Agreed.  Losing the Human feat hurts, but DG higher always-on Wis & other goodies won for me.

Note the skills are a wash:  the +1 from Human just matches the +2 Int a DG gets.

SirValentine wrote on Jan 8^th, 2017 at 2:06pm:


These are fair points.  But, the question was which one yields the higher wisdom score.  If you start bringing into AP spend choices, that gets into all kinds of build decisions.  DC's, offense vs. defense, etc. etc. 

The DG yields the highest theoretical, sustained wisdom score.  Whether that is achievable, or a good idea, for any specific build is questionable.  I agree with your in game experience.  I don't play DG much, but when I do, I rarely take two stat bumps.