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WonderfulFoppyBint Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Poooop Posts: 5947 Location: stockholm victim of hag master Joined: Oct 23^rd, 2013	Re: OP shit in reaper Reply #50 - Jan 22^nd, 2017 at 11:35am	Print Post
	zoriaan wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2017 at 11:06am: Why all the hate guys If you don't like what Overvaan has to say, just ignore him... Not quite sure how many of you are on Cannith, but Overvaan is without a doubt one of the top 3 players on there... He comes and goes, as I think he is back from a long absence, but he has been around for years, and he is a really really good player...and builder as well, and despite his somewhat aggressive posting style is rather fun to group with in game actually. +1 hi welcome

	OUR GOD: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1l7N-WLa3Q Right of Self-determination: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8bqQ-C1PSE volt_ wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2017 at 4:43pm: Be a container for your genes to control your behavior in order to reproduce
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Forest Ex Member	Re: OP shit in reaper Reply #51 - Jan 25^th, 2017 at 8:32pm	Print Post
	Asheras wrote on Jan 20^th, 2017 at 11:17am: EDIT:� If you want to keep it to yourself and your friends, that's totally cool.� I get that as well.� Lots of folks keep stuff quiet when they discover it and take advantage of it.� But keeping it to yourself means keeping it to yourself.� Not mentioning it in vague terms and making unsubstantiated claims that you refuse to back up. This sums it up perfectly.


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Steelstar Ex Member	Re: OP shit in reaper Reply #52 - Jan 27^th, 2017 at 12:49am	Print Post
	I'm afraid that Instal kills; spells, terror missiles, etc shouldn't be on this list. The deathward property of Champions is not only ubiquitous but cannot be dispelled by Dispel spells or Dispel missiles. Any 3 or more skull rating is going to insure you will see multiples of them in every encounter.
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DoRayEgon Shroud Slacker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1042 Joined: Apr 4^th, 2014	Re: OP shit in reaper Reply #53 - Jan 27^th, 2017 at 10:18am	Print Post
	Steel wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 12:49am: I'm afraid that Instal kills; spells, terror missiles, etc shouldn't be on this list. The deathward property of Champions is not only ubiquitous but cannot be dispelled by Dispel spells or Dispel missiles. Any 3 or more skull rating is going to insure you will see multiples of them in every encounter. That's kinda sad. Kills some unique character builds in Reaper.


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nagus Ex Member	Re: OP shit in reaper Reply #54 - Jan 27^th, 2017 at 3:46pm	Print Post
	That kinda sucks, but Terror builds had a good run of over a year.


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Vaultaccount Stormreaver Piker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 624 Joined: Apr 29^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: OP shit in reaper Reply #55 - Jan 29^th, 2017 at 11:58am	Print Post
	you know the majority of the champions do not have deathblock


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WonderfulFoppyBint Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Poooop Posts: 5947 Location: stockholm victim of hag master Joined: Oct 23^rd, 2013	Re: OP shit in reaper Reply #56 - Jan 29^th, 2017 at 3:39pm	Print Post
	Vaultaccount wrote on Jan 29^th, 2017 at 11:58am: you know the majority of the champions do not� have deathblock +1 This. My play testing indicated that even with the random deathblock you're better off pretending it works because the debuffs are so large.

	OUR GOD: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1l7N-WLa3Q Right of Self-determination: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8bqQ-C1PSE volt_ wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2017 at 4:43pm: Be a container for your genes to control your behavior in order to reproduce
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Steelstar Ex Member	Re: OP shit in reaper Reply #57 - Jan 29^th, 2017 at 5:59pm	Print Post
	Vaultaccount wrote on Jan 29^th, 2017 at 11:58am: you know the majority of the champions do not� have deathblock From the latest Lamma testing: Even in only 3 skull ToEE I 74 of the 78 champions had the new champion deathward. In Slaver I 87 out of 90 had it. If you look at the posts and comments of the devs it is a conscious decision to use it and to lump even more insta-kills into its protection. I.E. hurl, trap the soul.


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Vaultaccount Stormreaver Piker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 624 Joined: Apr 29^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: OP shit in reaper Reply #58 - Jan 29^th, 2017 at 7:24pm	Print Post
	Steel wrote on Jan 29^th, 2017 at 5:59pm: From the latest Lamma testing: Even in only 3 skull ToEE I� 74 of the 78 champions had the new champion deathward. In Slaver I 87 out of 90 had it.� If you look at the posts and comments of the devs it is a conscious decision to use it and to lump even more insta-kills into its protection. I.E. hurl, trap the soul.� That's new than. The funny part about this is that in this case raids are going to be easier than the quests, exactly the opposite than LE-. I guess all those people saying at the forums instakills are OP in reaper are wrong than. Did you run it on the last build they opened? But still, the non-champion mobs are there. Instakill will work on them while DPS on the champs. Actually, the opposite of how it should work: instakill should be about quickly dealing with selected key targets and DPS for trash. Like in PnP.
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Steelstar Ex Member	Re: OP shit in reaper Reply #59 - Jan 29^th, 2017 at 8:26pm	Print Post
	Vaultaccount wrote on Jan 29^th, 2017 at 7:24pm: That's new than. The funny part about this is that in this case raids are going to be easier than the quests, exactly the opposite than LE-. I guess all those people saying at the forums instakills are OP in reaper are wrong than. Did you run it on the last build they opened? But still, the non-champion mobs are there. Instakill will work on them while DPS on the champs. Actually, the opposite of how it should work: instakill should be about quickly dealing with selected key targets and DPS for trash. Like in PnP. Yes It's new and we did test it extensively as we could in the most recent Lamma build. That's where my deathward numbers for ToEE and Slaver came from. I would also point out that once anyone starts running anything 3+ skulls in reaper the number of champs starts growing greatly, in many cases making up over half the mobs. Of course, these changes will have impact well beyond Reaper, in that you will run into the new champs in hard and elite as well. In lamma testing the champion deathward ability showed up on tier one champs right away. The hamstringing of insta-kills is a sea-change for the game, and obviously a premeditated choice. Here is a link to Cocomo answering some questions about it, look at the last third of his post where it's addressed in regards to hurl, trap-the-soul, and even prismatic spray being stopped by the new champ deathwards. https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/482803-Third-U34-Lamannia-Preview-1-24...


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hydra Waterworks Kobold Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 145 Joined: Jan 28^th, 2017	Re: OP shit in reaper Reply #60 - Jan 30^th, 2017 at 1:27am	Print Post
	That's drastically different results of dw % on champs than I recorded from version 3 of reaper on lamm in toee pt 1 on skulls 5,7,8,10. I wonder if they modified the templates more than just dw freq.


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painkiller Waterworks Kobold Offline Posts: 188 Joined: May 14^th, 2013	Re: OP shit in reaper Reply #61 - Jan 30^th, 2017 at 10:02am	Print Post
	nerfing instakills really smells...I guess I should stop working on my 5 piece slaver set...


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hydra Waterworks Kobold Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 145 Joined: Jan 28^th, 2017	Re: OP shit in reaper Reply #62 - Jan 30^th, 2017 at 11:03am	Print Post
	painkiller wrote on Jan 30^th, 2017 at 10:02am: nerfing instakills really smells...I guess I should stop working on my 5 piece slaver set... Well take for instance 10 skull shroud. 40k becomes ~480k. Should you be able to do 480k damage on instakill? That's the problem with % damage, either % max or % current... it scales with the mob hp. If you don't have drastically reduced instakills someway, than they are pure win in quests/raids with lots of trash.


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Grand Ex Member I Love Drama!	Re: OP shit in reaper Reply #63 - Jan 30^th, 2017 at 2:19pm	Print Post
	hydra wrote on Jan 30^th, 2017 at 11:03am: Well take for instance 10 skull shroud. 40k becomes ~480k. Should you be able to do 480k damage on instakill? That's the problem with % damage, either % max or % current... it scales with the mob hp. If you don't have drastically reduced instakills someway, than they are pure win in quests/raids with lots of trash. Hi Welcome


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hydra Waterworks Kobold Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 145 Joined: Jan 28^th, 2017	Re: OP shit in reaper Reply #64 - Jan 30^th, 2017 at 9:02pm	Print Post
	Grand wrote on Jan 30^th, 2017 at 2:19pm: Hi Welcome Hi Welcome


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WonderfulFoppyBint Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Poooop Posts: 5947 Location: stockholm victim of hag master Joined: Oct 23^rd, 2013	Re: OP shit in reaper Reply #65 - Jan 30^th, 2017 at 9:39pm	Print Post
	hydra wrote on Jan 30^th, 2017 at 9:02pm: Hi Welcome you have less posts than letters in the the quote

	OUR GOD: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1l7N-WLa3Q Right of Self-determination: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8bqQ-C1PSE volt_ wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2017 at 4:43pm: Be a container for your genes to control your behavior in order to reproduce
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hydra Waterworks Kobold Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 145 Joined: Jan 28^th, 2017	Re: OP shit in reaper Reply #66 - Jan 30^th, 2017 at 9:46pm	Print Post
	WonderfulFoppyBint wrote on Jan 30^th, 2017 at 9:39pm: you have less posts than letters in the the quote on this account, sure


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WonderfulFoppyBint Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Poooop Posts: 5947 Location: stockholm victim of hag master Joined: Oct 23^rd, 2013	Re: OP shit in reaper Reply #67 - Jan 30^th, 2017 at 9:48pm	Print Post
	hydra wrote on Jan 30^th, 2017 at 9:46pm: on this account, sure apparently you're just fucking retarded then

	OUR GOD: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1l7N-WLa3Q Right of Self-determination: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8bqQ-C1PSE volt_ wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2017 at 4:43pm: Be a container for your genes to control your behavior in order to reproduce
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Vaultaccount Stormreaver Piker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 624 Joined: Apr 29^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: OP shit in reaper Reply #68 - Jan 31^st, 2017 at 9:24am	Print Post
	hydra wrote on Jan 30^th, 2017 at 11:03am: Well take for instance 10 skull shroud. 40k becomes ~480k. Should you be able to do 480k damage on instakill? That's the problem with % damage, either % max or % current... it scales with the mob hp. If you don't have drastically reduced instakills someway, than they are pure win in quests/raids with lots of trash. Bad news for you than: raids doesn't have champions. So if you consider that it is in raids where mobs have more HP than quests, none of this makes any sense. BTW, did they change ender? I haven't read any of that in the notes. Woo-woo + ender +/or vorpal is going to be nice. Was thinking about a paladin S&B with purple dragon shield + nightmare. Lays still not affected by the healing penality?


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yabber Ex Member	Re: OP shit in reaper Reply #69 - Jan 31^st, 2017 at 9:45am	Print Post
	Vaultaccount wrote on Jan 31^st, 2017 at 9:24am: BTW, did they change ender? I haven't read any of that in the notes. Woo-woo + ender +/or vorpal is going to be nice. You're Retarded as well. Ender has a 5k threshold there's no reason for it to be changed. Tell us are you really this stupid or do you just play heroic norm exclusively?


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Vaultaccount Stormreaver Piker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 624 Joined: Apr 29^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: OP shit in reaper Reply #70 - Jan 31^st, 2017 at 9:56am	Print Post
	Quote: You're Retarded as well. Ender has a 5k threshold there's no reason for it to be changed. Tell us are you really this stupid or do you just play heroic norm exclusively? 5k = about 54k HP on R10. Idk why do you think people are retarded just to ask a question, go find a psychologist


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hydra Waterworks Kobold Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 145 Joined: Jan 28^th, 2017	Re: OP shit in reaper Reply #71 - Jan 31^st, 2017 at 9:47pm	Print Post
	Vaultaccount wrote on Jan 31^st, 2017 at 9:24am: Bad news for you than: raids doesn't have champions. So if you consider that it is in raids where mobs have more HP than quests, none of this makes any sense. BTW, did they change ender? I haven't read any of that in the notes. Woo-woo + ender +/or vorpal is going to be nice. Was thinking about a paladin S&B with purple dragon shield + nightmare. Lays still not affected by the healing penality? Correction. Raids aren't supposed to have champions. Well except Leg shroud pt 5. (I didn't get to test raids all that much but I think they might have introd reapers and champs into them natively as well, pretty sure ) In any case, you are right the problem isn't fixed. Fiend warlocks will be tip top. I didn't specifically test ender but I would assume it would be affected just like hurl, prismatics, etc. given that its classified as an "instant" death effect.
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RemRemi Ex Member I Love Drama!	Re: OP shit in reaper Reply #72 - Feb 1^st, 2017 at 12:33am	Print Post
	hydra wrote on Jan 31^st, 2017 at 9:47pm: ....... Hmmm... what is that familiar smell?


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tapster Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 19 Joined: Jan 9^th, 2014	Re: OP shit in reaper Reply #73 - Feb 7^th, 2017 at 9:39am	Print Post
	Steel wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 12:49am: I'm afraid that Instal kills; spells, terror missiles, etc shouldn't be on this list. The deathward property of Champions is not only ubiquitous but cannot be dispelled by Dispel spells or Dispel missiles. Any 3 or more skull rating is going to insure you will see multiples of them in every encounter. Couple of things then:- 1 - Does Globe of Invulnerability still remove deathward in reaper? 2 - This all kinda infers that the devs can't fix terror imbues so they just handed out deathwards to any mob that wanted it...


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Bigjunk Horoluth Raider Offline Hjeal meh! Posts: 2686 Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: OP shit in reaper Reply #74 - Feb 7^th, 2017 at 11:00am	Print Post
	Regarding Ender . . . our Warlock in the 7 Skull TS with Ender set who normally dominates the kill count got a total of 4 kills - all ender's procs. Seems to work, but can say it's working great.


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