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Got a build concept for me?
Want to do a 3 man 10 skull bravery from 1-30 with 2 buddies once it hits live in 2 weeks /confirmed by cordo.
My duty will be thrower because when i asked a friend what fits me best, he said monk icon.
So figured why not a thrower for the fun of it.

Race: halfling or deep gnome (since they will nerf human aboost) for better imp precise is my only request.
Was thinking 12 monk 6 ranger 2 something (dont know if warlock for fortit debuff for my instakilers, or fighter for feats or wizard for improved mage armor for massive ac).
They will be cc/instakillers, so my duty will be burst i guess, burst that can survive so prefer 12 monk for abu step/kite speed,
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Lelouch wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 1:23pm:
Got a build concept for me?
Want to do a 3 man 10 skull bravery from 1-30 with 2 buddies once it hits live in 2 weeks /confirmed by cordo.
My duty will be thrower because when i asked a friend what fits me best, he said monk icon.
So figured why not a thrower for the fun of it.

Race: halfling or deep gnome (since they will nerf human aboost) for better imp precise is my only request.
Was thinking 12 monk 6 ranger 2 something (dont know if warlock for fortit debuff for my instakilers, or fighter for feats or wizard for improved mage armor for massive ac).
They will be cc/instakillers, so my duty will be burst i guess, burst that can survive so prefer 12 monk for abu step/kite speed,


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If you want burst do not run in anything other than Fury of the Wild.

And you run in Fury for burst you want x3 crit multi. Moreover, I don't think 5FS builds use Manyshot, and there is no such thing as ranged burst damage without a volley of Andrealined Slayer Arrows with a x4 Crit multi

I would recommend my latest build for your specific request/party make up. No disrespect to anyone else. I also recommend halfling given nerfage of boosts and synergies with SA damage and possible use of thrown crit range +1
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Thanks 5FS.  This is a great idea.
  
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Any of the incomplete idea list you're working on at the moment?
  

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harharharhar wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 4:54pm:
If you want burst do not run in anything other than Fury of the Wild.

And you run in Fury for burst you want x3 crit multi. Moreover, I don't think 5FS builds use Manyshot, and there is no such thing as ranged burst damage without a volley of Andrealined Slayer Arrows with a x4 Crit multi

I would recommend my latest build for your specific request/party make up. No disrespect to anyone else. I also recommend halfling given nerfage of boosts and synergies with SA damage and possible use of thrown crit range +1


Take your Monkcher shit and go home, stupido...
  

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Alex DeLarge wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 7:36pm:
Take your Monkcher shit and go home, stupido...


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harharharhar wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 7:49pm:
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5 Foot Step wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 2:46pm:
12 Monk/6 Fighter/2 Ranger Shuriken in SD

Make sure you take Nimble Reaction if you go Halfling.


Will try it, fits party comp perfectly.
Dodge should be at 25 +2 + 8 + 3+ 3+ 3 // 44%, pretty good

Your build is good as well jak but iirc current version is a 8monk, i consider abu step crucial for later reaper content since its most of the time 1 shots
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spathic wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 5:39pm:
Any of the incomplete idea list you're working on at the moment?


Not really, but I'm hoping Meat playtests that cleric tosser for me...and a guildy keeps asking me for shiradi advice, so I might end up revising that soon.
  

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5 Foot Step wrote on Jan 21st, 2017 at 11:25am:
Not really, but I'm hoping Meat playtests that cleric tosser for me...




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Lelouch wrote on Jan 21st, 2017 at 4:06am:
Will try it, fits party comp perfectly.
Dodge should be at 25 +2 + 8 + 3+ 3+ 3 // 44%, pretty good

Your build is good as well jak but iirc current version is a 8monk, i consider abu step crucial for later reaper content since its most of the time 1 shots


You said you wanted burst, not tue ability to run away and ditch your  friends faster.

In any case  you can still do 12/6/2 or even 14/6 and still have abundant step but retain manyahot and be in Fury of the wild to have actual burst DPS as you said you wanted.

No bow/No FOTW does not qualify as ranged burst as far as I am concerned. Theres just no contest. And if youre talking about quick fights to take down a reaper or champ before if immediately murders everyone, then you really dont want to be standing there throwing at it 4x longer because youre in SD and cant just take it out in 1 or 2 adrenalined slayer/sniper shots.

Anyway, you'll figure it  once you roll one and try both.
  
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I love the super high dodge but you can get that on basically any good thrower split in ultimate water, esp as a halfling
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Though arguably between boosts, SoS, and 10k, you're is still pretty bursty, but just over 20 seconds instead of 2 seconds.

  

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@ Jakeelala
It is burst, though less so, but that is probably a good thing. (see below)

Fury is probably not the correct ED choice for playing the sole DPS in a trio with 2 support characters.

He asked for thrower, not monkcher.

@ Lelouch
If your buddies are going to have everything held for you (or otherwise helpless), you might want to try and fit in No Mercy and/or Sense Weakness.

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harharharhar wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 1:01pm:
nice, about time.

I use your equipment lists so I don't have make my own. I just wish you'd stop putting rebellion in there   Sad


ding!

harharharhar wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 4:54pm:
If you want burst do not run in anything other than Fury of the Wild.

And you run in Fury for burst you want x3 crit multi. Moreover, I don't think 5FS builds use Manyshot, and there is no such thing as ranged burst damage without a volley of Andrealined Slayer Arrows with a x4 Crit multi

I would recommend my latest build for your specific request/party make up. No disrespect to anyone else. I also recommend halfling given nerfage of boosts and synergies with SA damage and possible use of thrown crit range +1


Ding!

harharharhar wrote on Jan 21st, 2017 at 1:23pm:
You said you wanted burst, not tue ability to run away and ditch your  friends faster.

In any case  you can still do 12/6/2 or even 14/6 and still have abundant step but retain manyahot and be in Fury of the wild to have actual burst DPS as you said you wanted.

No bow/No FOTW does not qualify as ranged burst as far as I am concerned. Theres just no contest. And if youre talking about quick fights to take down a reaper or champ before if immediately murders everyone, then you really dont want to be standing there throwing at it 4x longer because youre in SD and cant just take it out in 1 or 2 adrenalined slayer/sniper shots.

Anyway, you'll figure it  once you roll one and try both.



Ding! ding!

harharharhar wrote on Jan 21st, 2017 at 1:38pm:
I love the super high dodge but you can get that on basically any good thrower split in ultimate water, esp as a halfling



Ding! ding! ding! ding!



We have today's winner for most threatened and butthurt! congratulations Jakelala!


Seriously man? why do you have to try and shit all over 5FS thread? are you that fucking threatened and insecure? Fucking cut-it out. You're cluttering up his thread and discussions and questions people who want use his builds are trying to post and discuss. So stop filling it with your "me too! me too!" bullshit for once.

If you want to sell your ideas make a thread of your own filled with your builds like 5FS did and people can look at it and get ideas and clarifications from you about them. Mind your own back yard and stop trying to tell 5FS how his isn't right.
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Realistically they should have everything held.
Am considering 12 monk 6 something 2 wiz, get the stacking ac from wiz scroll mastery /just in case to suplement the others (im really a multitask player, and i learned to play that way as a treeplayer),
and fit in paralyze stance for heroic content and some epic content /reapers techically should be parayzed and i dont know of a proper cc for them that they have access to.
/wiz also grants me a free enchant feat
Maybe even a 3 wiz if they plan to roll 2 pales and heal from their auras /it would require ton of coordination but id be locked into helf if 5 fighter or lose sniper if ranger...
Honestly creating my build is the biggest issue atm as casters are pretty much straightforward.

I need to test your guys ideas and this one and several others when lama opens up on tuesday + check what those reaper xp trees will be (they said tree-s as plural on the podcast if i heard that right)

Is it possible to get reasonable enchant dcs and have burst at the same time on a shuri/possibly a hybrid ?
Keep in mind its a 1-30 10skull build, needs to be a effective burster or ranged dps as soon as posible.
(there are safe spots in most lowbies so getting 10 k and many bit later isnt a issue and they wont be as effective early on either way)
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Lelouch wrote on Jan 21st, 2017 at 3:54pm:
Realistically they should have everything held.
Am considering 12 monk 6 something 2 wiz, get the stacking ac from wiz scroll mastery /just in case to suplement the others (im really a multitask player, and i learned to play that way as a treeplayer),
and fit in paralyze stance for heroic content and some epic content /reapers techically should be parayzed and i dont know of a proper cc for them that they have access to.
/wiz also grants me a free enchant feat
Maybe even a 3 wiz if they plan to roll 2 pales and heal from their auras /it would require ton of coordination but id be locked into helf if 5 fighter or lose sniper if ranger...
Honestly creating my build is the biggest issue atm as casters are pretty much straightforward.

I need to test your guys ideas and this one and several others when lama opens up on tuesday + check what those reaper xp trees will be (they said tree-s as plural on the podcast if i heard that right)

Is it possible to get reasonable enchant dcs and have burst at the same time on a shuri/possibly a hybrid ?
Keep in mind its a 1-30 10skull build, needs to be a effective burster or ranged dps as soon as posible.
(there are safe spots in most lowbies so getting 10 k and many bit later isnt a issue and they wont be as effective early on either way)


Sounds like this one might be closer what you're looking for:

12 Cleric/6 Monk/2 Fighter Terror Shuriken in EA

Obviously, it's not max dps, but it gets a great imbue DC, the DPS should be solid, and it brings it's own CC as a bonus. (93 arrow DC, 88 Greater Command DC) It still gets wings in EA as well.
  

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5 Foot Step wrote on Jan 21st, 2017 at 2:26pm:
akeelala wrote on Dec 1st, 2016 at 2:17pm:
Though arguably between boosts, SoS, and 10k, you're is still pretty bursty, but just over 20 seconds instead of 2 seconds.


Yes, from my understanding from last Reaper test, 20 secs is not acceptable for very deadly mobs that can't be CC'd. This is the basis from which I am reasoning.

5 Foot Step wrote on Jan 21st, 2017 at 2:36pm:
Fury is probably not the correct ED choice for playing the sole DPS in a trio with 2 support characters.


He didn't say two support players, he said CC/Instakillers. That means he is red named aka non-CC/non-instakillable mob duty. In my mind that means instantaneous maximum burst DPS on demand. That's the builds I've suggested for him.

5 Foot Step wrote on Jan 21st, 2017 at 2:36pm:
@ Lelouch
If your buddies are going to have everything held for you (or otherwise helpless), you might want to try and fit in No Mercy and/or Sense Weakness.


You save a Tier 4 Twist and remain at the height of burst damage in Fury. Please see my rationale above.

Lelouch wrote on Jan 21st, 2017 at 3:54pm:
Am considering 12 monk 6 something 2 wiz, get the stacking ac from wiz scroll mastery /just in case to suplement the others (im really a multitask player, and i learned to play that way as a treeplayer),


I'm down with that, my original thrower build had /5 Wiz and loved the giant AC from Eldritch Knight.

Lelouch wrote on Jan 21st, 2017 at 3:54pm:
Is it possible to get reasonable enchant dcs and have burst at the same time on a shuri/possibly a hybrid ?
Keep in mind its a 1-30 10skull build, needs to be a effective burster or ranged dps as soon as posible.
(there are safe spots in most lowbies so getting 10 k and many bit later isnt a issue and they wont be as effective early on either way)


The thing about CC arrows I love is that it's not on vorpal or anything it's every hit. So if you can hit like a 70 DC (not that hard) you can still be in Fury maintain really strong DPS while being able to CC effectively. If you twist Pin, this is a pretty rad combo on trash/non red names. If someone is already holding everything for you, just switch to elemental arrows. Point is, you can still be in Fury for the burst.

And yes, all you need with ranger levels (for feats) is Zen Archery to be able to capitalize on Manyshot. You don't even technically need Zen Archery you just drop stance and have to re-enable after Manyshot. It's a pain I've done it but not impossible to manage. You just have to train Dex to Damage from Deepwood in that case.

It sounds like you need to go 12 Monk/6Ranger/2Wizard. For the record, you can always just switch destinies if you want to see how either play. I will say however if you're not going Kensei for x3 crit, you should probably go AA Capstone through Elf or Half Elf. You can always Switch AP to try Ninja Spy Tier 5 but that makes Fury not ideal. Halfling really only makes sense on a /6 Fighter/6 Ranger build like mine since you don't have the AP for AA capstone through elf/helf anyway

They may nerf AA stances for throwing but if you're only aiming for a 70'ish DC for Para Arrows, if they nerf you can spec out of that with some gear changes and maye a feat swap. It's not big deal. If you do full Terror Arrow build like suggested below by 5FS, you're looking at a complete TR on nerf. For me, that's an important consideration as I hate TR'ing.
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5 Foot Step wrote on Jan 21st, 2017 at 5:03pm:
Sounds like this one might be closer what you're looking for:

12 Cleric/6 Monk/2 Fighter Terror Shuriken in EA

Obviously, it's not max dps, but it gets a great imbue DC, the DPS should be solid, and it brings it's own CC as a bonus. (93 arrow DC, 88 Greater Command DC) It still gets wings in EA as well.


I don't think anyone should be building Terror Arrow builds off of throwing anymore given Dev confirmation it's a bug. I'm sad about it, but it's true. They fixed throwing multi's which inclines me to believe they will fix this sooner than later. Just a hunch.

If you do want to do Terror Arrows this is a great build for it maxing DCs (which is th only way to do this kind of build), but you have to go full caster/DC retard, and you won't have very good DPS. I think that's the opposite of what Lelouch said he wanted.

If you've played a Tree, and you've played a proper bow/shuri Fury hybrid, you would never ever in a million years say this thing has solid DPS. I played a Fury based Terror arrow build, and it's DPS was not high enough on red names to make the Terror part worth it. There is no middle ground in the Terror Arrow thrower build, IMO.
  
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Reply #24 - Jan 21st, 2017 at 5:44pm
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Anyway, until I get some solid playtime in reaper (which I would have if they'd stop doing Lama on weekdays because I am an adult with a job) it's all up in the air. And to Lelouchs point, the new trees will also influence builds depending on what they end up looking like.
  
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