Hold off for a couple weeks man and wait to see what is posted here after people have a chance to test and run.

vageta31 wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2017 at 12:17am:


This thread is a great question.

It will be really interesting to see what consensus starts to emerge next week. I can tell you that there are some not widely known variables that many of us are waiting to check out on live and test.

I'd keep checking back for the next couple weeks.

I think the real choice will just be whether or not you want to utilize item effects (Tendon Slice, etc) and twists/active attacks (Pin, Ottos, Leg Shot) for CC, or Paralyze arrows/Terror arrows until they nerf it.

So, will you build for Enchant DC's or ignore them for your CC.

Besides that it will still be about DPS, and not dying.

Vaultaccount wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2017 at 8:07pm:


No, I don't really expect that. I usually just use a bow until I get high enough(usually around 12ish) to where using a shuriken becomes doable. However last life I actually used a shuri from about level 3 on and went all through heroics without much effort. Sure it wasn't optimal but it wasn't horrible once I got some elemental imbue dmg.

harharharhar wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2017 at 8:57pm:



Personally I'd love to just use para arrows for now as it's the lazy man's choice. My last build went dextard for max dps but I decided I wanted to give the terror shuri build a shot. I swapped all my feats to DC ones and favored wis over dex, and honestly I didn't see a huge drop in DPS as I had feared. Considering that you are probably wanting to get slayer arrow, getting para and the extra DCs from the tree isn't really a big deal since they're right there.

However if para stops being as good at some point and/or they nerf elemental imbues, then getting slayer arrow is a huge point commitment without the usual benefits along the way.


WonderfulFoppyBint wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2017 at 10:24pm:


Agreed. Even if I saw evidence that another option is slightly better, I just enjoy the playstyle of Fury and being able to unleash huge bursts of DPS at will.

Precisely. With dangerous, hard to kill mobs, having better burst damage becomes far more important. My current shuri build constantly kills things with far more damage than is necessary because it's either at 3 or 11 from 1-10 and nothing in between. That's wasted damage. But in Reaper where damage is reduced, I feel like a high burst DPS Fury build will just be that much BETTER against mobs that will actually soak up what was excessive DPS.

Fury Shuri's have just entered their Golden Age.

14m/6r for Sniper shot and Abundant, or 12m/6f/2p for Defensive reasons will be best I think (Abundant and +1 Crit but no Sniper). The trade off is either Sniper shot or +1 crit Multi. Honestly having Sniper Shot + Adren is more DPS than having just Slayer and +1 Crit multi in all the simulations I did.

I still like 8/6/6 the best because x3 Shuri's and Sniper Shot. I even have thought about maybe going T5 Kensei for those Actives and Sniper Shot. Skip Slayer arrows altogether and just use Sniper Shot to chunk things down and finish 'em with Good Death and Deadly Shot. But this build lacks Abundant Step for fast movement.

The burst damage however of Manyshot + Boost + Vuln +Sniper/Adrenaline + Slayer /Adrenaline + Sniper/Adrenaline in ~15 seconds with +1 multi from Kensei on the 8/6/6 is just completely absurd however. Very little can match that especially at long range.

Playtesting will be the most informative I think.

I am trying to brainstorm a decent Divine Crusader build however for the AoE heals

harharharhar wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2017 at 11:52pm:


Im not worried about lv 12+.
We will do all quests we are capable to complete from 1-30 on 10 skulls, requires a entirely different mindset then the regular farming route and min/max optimization whenever you can afford it.
Found it personally that due to reduced base damage of shuri in reaper til i get my actives it wont be nearly close to xbow in dps.

We are talking about the really hard content in ddo now, harbor n such on 10 skulls at leve without any % drop in reaper xp (aka being lv 2)

Lelouch wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2017 at 12:51am:

harbor reaper is level 3 for full exp

anyway I did one harbor quest, 10 skull reaper at level. my problem was (among other things) that I hit stuff for 0 damage mostly. Occasionally for 1-2.

Now I was on a gimped lvl3 artificer wielding a non-magical repeater from harbor weapon shop. But the TL;DR is that many small attacks are bad because damage is rounded down to 0. Big attacks = good.

Healing: sucks
Temporary HP: good
DR: every small bit helps...
Fear reaper: bad

crunch wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2017 at 6:33am:


Ye i think someone said that rounding works so that anything below 9 base damage rounds to 0.
Youd need at lv 3 more then 9 base damage to have any dps at all.
Meaning 3 ranger past lifes, monk past life, any w increase on weapon you can get and prolly skip on optional effects when you craft a xbow but try to push the encha at least to +2 (not sure if 2 is craftable at lv3), and as il be a 1 rogue/2 ranger (heads up for the lv3 thing, really helps alot lol), il have some special attacks that add w..

Gosh, honestly i think lowbies are harder then epic content now

we did a 5 skull Slavers LE Pt1 last night

Having burst damage on lined up CC'd mobs was still by far the most effective strategy. I won't really be changing my builds up much at all for reaper at 5 skull and under. We will see about 10skulls when I get a chance. It's really like old school DDO now: pull mobs, set up CC, play conservatively or get crushed.

I think I like it

hydra wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2017 at 6:15pm:


Um, that's literally exactly what I said, in this thread, yesterday.


harharharhar wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2017 at 8:57pm:

hydra wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2017 at 8:26pm:

You misunderstand him.  You used the words "thrower builds", "stars", and "shuriken" in your post.  You stole his ideas!

In the future, please try to avoid this by using the term "builds that cannot be named", "5-point shapes" and "ninja projectile weapon".

hydra wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2017 at 8:26pm:


When posted that I hadn't played (I work, no time for Lamm during the week).

I played last night for a couple hours on various skull levels up to 5 for a slavers pt 1.

I'm not theorycrafting anything, but I did confirm what I already suspected. DPS is king, non-DC CC is no longer just fun to play with but necessary above 1-3 skulls.

Mitigation of magic damage is really the only problem with your run of the mill shuriken build. Most magic damage can be avoided or mitigated, but not all and sometimes with a pack of shamans or whatever you just can't avoid it all. I died once or twice last night to an errant black dragon bolt that hit for ~1800. I might start slotting absorb items.

PS: you can keep your idea about TF para, it's fucking garbage.