It's not only Elli having those results. It's everyone commenting on that thread, including Shavara, Morroiel, Dalsheel, and probably others forgot. You and Jake are alone with this nonsense. I don't know any good thrower who is using this 8 fighter splash crap, from any server, be it khyber, ghallanda, cannith, argo, etc.

Yes, on DPS, not even talking about abundant step.

You trying to denegrate elli is lame. If the guy wants to post a youtube video about something he's doing it has nothing to do with his tests. At least he's putting himself out there, open to anyone see his mistakes. You bring it up because you have some problem with this guy on live? Its same thing as Jak trying to bash Shavara, just so lame.

I watched all of his monkcher test and didn't find any missed missed adrenalines, wtf are you talking about when you say those videos are biased?

hydra wrote on Mar 10^th, 2017 at 2:58am:


How high are you, you stupid obese wizard sleeve looking cunt?  Lelouch may not come across the best due to language translation but the dude knows what the fuck he is talking about when it comes to builds and his observations were correct in the case of the video.

Lelouch wrote on Mar 10^th, 2017 at 3:24am:


Thanks for being impartial.

He is definitely is new to throwers, he admitted he didn't understand ANT/SE in that mobo thread last month. Now he's in charge of testing platforms. He did miss some active attacks AND he failed to test shuriken/unbridled/10k but I was tired of the stink that was being made over what should have been a healthy debate.

Rubbinns wrote on Mar 10^th, 2017 at 10:54am:


Yeah, which is why I was making a little stink about him testing with Sapphire sting and trying act like that somehow benefitted 8/6/6 because crit threat. 20 RP from ToEE set would have gone MUCH farther in reducing times, but he didn't have one. As would have 3 ranger PLs, I have no idea what his stats were for KTA, nor his Wisdom for RP during 10k. Was he using deception on one or both builds for Ethereal?

8/6/6 got nerfed harder than 14/6 when they ended dual boosting, because fighter splash meant +3 Action boosts from Kensei. That doesn't matter much in a red kobold test, but it matters a whole fucking lot when you like, actually play the game. On an 8/6/6 I could dual boost 12 times with LD twist.

Anyway, I'm glad he tested. People want to make it out like I have Roulette bet on 8/6/6 vs. 14/6 which is retarded. I've said like 20 times how much I like the 12/14 splits, and I've posted them and run multiple lives in them. I ran those lives in those splits because they are incredibly awesome.

I switched to 8/6/6 because they fix throwing multipliers, and it was the only way to get Slayer/Sniper and Multiplier. Now, the fact is they have never fixed AA capstone which I was anticipating they would given all their nerfage. If and when they do, these tests will be different because the doubleshot gap will close a bit. 8/6/6 was a really fun build with multipliers working pre-raper release because you had SO MANY choices for AP layout/spread to test and try different things. T5 Kensei, T5 Ranger AA, T5 DWS, T5 Racial AA, etc. And the defensive options with Defender were also pretty fun to play around with. What no talks about is that you can always just do Racial AA capstone on 8/6/6 with same AP spread as 14/6 and while you are down 30% Doubleshot during 10k, you have 6RP and +2 to damage from Weapon Foci feats and Weapon Spec thanks to fighter feats.

You can also take Shattering shot combo'd with Smiting arrows and Grim precision for ridiculous portal damage in LE/LH Shrouds with the fighter splash. You also get cheap ki regen in the tree while spending points for +1 multi.

There are lots of flexibility upsides to 8/6/6, but everyone just wants a red kobold test. That's cool, go ahead and do that.

Vaultaccount wrote on Mar 10^th, 2017 at 11:32am:


Multiple people in those guilds and other top tiers guilds (Lava Divers, Gypsys, etc) on Khyber run 8/6/6. Some run 8 fighter (Rhyes) some run 8 Monk (me).

I might even be in one of the guilds you mention.

You should shut the fuck up.

Vaultaccount wrote on Mar 10^th, 2017 at 11:41am:


Sounds like you know a lot about being a bad

I haven't seen Double Deviants (more than one at a time) on in more than a year.

Elite Raiders are on all the time, though.

Vaultaccount wrote on Mar 10^th, 2017 at 11:48am:


I let my guild and channel groups do that themselves with me in the screenshot. That's not how I get my rocks off.

Posting achievements, especially solo achievements, generally involves running the same thing over and over again, tweaking gear and enhancements and even run paths and button clicks to either finish something fastest, or to get through a situation that should kill you without dying.

Which is awesome and impressive if you're into that sort of thing.

I'm into the following in this order:

-Making builds
-phat Lewt
-overperforming game features

Achievements fall somewhere down around learning the Pit path once and for all, and running Prey on the Hunter at level on Elite.

Vaultaccount wrote on Mar 10^th, 2017 at 11:32am:


Ive run with gods aka old ordo alot back in the day when wyrm was endgame and i found their groups to be extremely boring as they were inefficient , and that some of their players pretty much carried the rest.
Papa ordo and vinci are imho the core of that guild and the 2 that carry everyone else, then you add some outsourced players like steel and gordy etc and you get a alrdy a awesome group.
I quit the game when defiler was released, work and real life, sorry that i cant be in ddo 24/7/365,
When i came back to the game we already had slavers gear so farming shroud was more or less pointless.
So yes, i completed leshroud only 3 times on le while joining groups that opend it up for public and found it extremely boring as a treebuild that had the least deaths /my first le i died only 1 time because i somehow got aggro from raka and he pretty much deleted me/ , figured whats the fucking point because sets arent as awesome and i would need to constantly wait til someone has the will to create a le lfm or be in constant contact with vinci and vahno.
When you come to late to the party, the party isnt always playing by your tune.
People dont run le but on lh now, and les on canith are extremely rare.

I have no fucking idea how the other guilds on other servers are, i can only think of them being good/bad based on opinions but personally i have not run with them, all i can see is videos that dont impress me.


After that i asked multiple people ingame that were running le/lh on a constant basis whom i trust if the sets are worth it and they all told me its not, thus i decided just to farm enough mats for couple weapons.

So yes, i dont run le shroud nor le tspine, i rather box it with my 2 friends with 9 bots and we collect mats fast so that we can craft weapon in case we need something.
/we actually dont do hox anymore as we got gear that we want, last one we did i was boxing a tank while spaming ruins from a bot while having 5 boxes open that were buffing the others, i was even throwing some heals on myself as tank from a bard bot, all done on le(what steel and lotus did back in the day, this isnt even remotely impressive)

Im not impressed by what omni does, honestly i havent been impressed by anything anyone did in ddo since tsawn got permad.
I was a tr lunatic and i only rarely joined those guys for raids, but when i did i was impressed by every single member and i thought, god i wont ever be capable to do this stuff as i was not born with such gaming sense.
What most "top guilds" do nowadays is mostly meh to me.
Not because im super pro, but because i played with people that were blowing my mind every time i was in party with them. Ive seen better, way better players then what we have nowadays.

Hope i clarified some things here and that my english came across ok.
I might come across like a elitist scumbag, but in reality im really not even remotely such a person, i helped some in ordo by polishing their builds and suggesting rotations to spells.
If i dont think a test is done correctly, and point out mistakes sorry if that came across wrong.
Eli is a good wizard old time player on netherese, and it was infuriating to play with him with old blitz.
I Always had to zerg and pull red so that he dies so that we can complete quests faster

Also so that people dont call me names, you can see how at the start of the video he uses sniper wout adrenaline actually prolonging the beatdown.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5SOjNoBN-4&list=PL45c0PoZxJcUCgfMAreKfWh6Mslezh...

Another one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjXHGgamOUA&index=32&list=PL45c0PoZxJcUCgfMAreKf...


Im not making stuff up, im just properly observing because i love knowledge about builds.

/even i dislike that this ended as a wall of text lol

harharharhar wrote on Mar 10^th, 2017 at 12:43pm:

Didnt he solo that gh one where you have masive amounts of safe spots?
(not dimnishing his effort, but he did it as lv 30 where there are cr load safe spots and at that time when he did it we had the robe swap in bug for insta hp sp refill)

I myself have soloed lotsa stuff on lama while selfheals were working as tree on 10 skulls, and was trying to prove to devs that they did something wrong.

harharharhar wrote on Mar 10^th, 2017 at 12:53pm:


I like to follow ac section on mb mostly to troll people xD so im usually aware of speedruns n similiar.
Sadly vinci doesnt bother to post his videos there /:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQhyvVmYtB4&list=PL45c0PoZxJcUCgfMAreKfWh6Mslezh...

See. He did the same thing with the other build on the same test (there goes your "biased"). So it doesn't matter for the comparison.

My bet is that he was trying to make Sniper shot proc the sneak attack vulnerability before using the big burst, what makes since he is preparing a bit with vulnerability at the start.